Re: suspension
Posted: 2019/12/23 15:47:14 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csDRdqMH3Kk
The flight that almost killed me
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=802
AL's Second flight at Packsaddle how it went
Translation...
- Always launch with a tight hang strap.
- For all of your launches there will be a gentle wind which will lift your wing enough to fly it with gentle tension on your hang strap. So no problem with the Zack C / Sport 2 155 combo in which it's physically impossible for the glider to be manually lifted to tight suspension.
- There will never be enough in the way of turbulence, shifts, thermal blasts for any crew to be required. It will ALWAYS be safe.
- You can safely banish all concern about launching unhooked at this point. You have taken care of it. It's done. It's out of your mind. Nothing bad can ever happen beyond this point.
And your response:
There's no preflight beyond lying down and checking his distance from the control bar. Here's Garck doing that:
087-22822
http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49206611951_0cabf4084b_o.png
Anybody see any problem with Garck's distance from the control bar? Even with the slight alteration he inadvertently executed in his suspension configuration? Would it have mattered if there had been?
- not just altered his configuration ever detected a change in clearance with a hang check?
- just altered his configuration only been alerted to that circumstance in the course of a hang check?
He always did this. It was part of his unalterable routine. It just took a moment. He was NEVER at launch with anyone else. Then he'd fly for a few hours, land out eighty miles a way, walk back to and up the mountain to retrieve his truck.
Me... When I'm at a mountain launch I'm always having to interrupt setup to help people maneuver their gliders to launch and do wire crew. And I'm watching their suspension like a Kestrel watches a mouse.
This asshole doesn't really give a flying fuck about anyone else. Just wants them to crash due to fringe activity towing incidents to help him misrepresent what's actually going on in the real world.
It's a pretty good bet that The Bob Show maxed out a couple years ago and won't achieve anything more than it has already - which ain't a whole helluva lot to write home about. Granted, the original mission of Kite Strings was to reform the sport and that ain't gonna happen in any century on the horizon - given what we now realize we've really been up against since a wee bit after the beginning of time - but we recognize that and have retargeted to do what damage we can.
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Also note that if Emperor Bob ACTUALLY cared about getting and doing things right he wouldn't give a rat's ass whether he was getting called out from within his dictatorship or from anywhere else. He'd respond based on MERIT - regardless of the source. He won't because he can't.
I so did love it when Rooney was shooting his mouth off about me from what he very mistakenly thought was the locked down protection and safety of The Davis Show.
The flight that almost killed me
And yet....Bob Kuczewski - 2019/12/18
The lift and tug method ("always launch with a tight hang strap") is also very good (when safe), but we saw one of its failure modes right here in this video.
Let's face it, ALL of the so-called "fool proof" methods have their failure modes. Complacent reliance on any single method will eventually bite each of us. Extreme vigilance for ourselves and our flying friends is the price we must be willing to pay ... to fly like birds.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=802
AL's Second flight at Packsaddle how it went
And then two and a half paragraphs later he commits to launch.Rick Masters - 2011/10/19 22:47:17 UTC
Al, there's a lot of noise on this thread but if I can just cut through it, I'd like to provide my observations to your excellently detailed account.
A lot of focus is put on hooking in. Too many pilots have died for no good reason. It was never a problem for me. Before lifting the glider, I would lay down and check my distance from the control bar. I always did this. It was part of my unalterable routine. It just took a moment and then I would shoulder the glider. I would stand and allow the wind to lift the wing. I would stand and fly the wing with gentle tension on my hang strap. Then I would identify the neutral lift attitude where the wing weighed nothing - and hold it.
At that moment, I would banish all concern about launching unhooked. I had taken care of it. It was done. It was out of my mind.
Translation...
- Always launch with a tight hang strap.
- For all of your launches there will be a gentle wind which will lift your wing enough to fly it with gentle tension on your hang strap. So no problem with the Zack C / Sport 2 155 combo in which it's physically impossible for the glider to be manually lifted to tight suspension.
- There will never be enough in the way of turbulence, shifts, thermal blasts for any crew to be required. It will ALWAYS be safe.
- You can safely banish all concern about launching unhooked at this point. You have taken care of it. It's done. It's out of your mind. Nothing bad can ever happen beyond this point.
And your response:
Nah, no CONCEIVABLE failure mode to that one. No one who's ever felt tension two paragraphs ago has EVER launched unhooked. 'Cept Garck maybe.Bob Kuczewski - 2011/10/19 22:53:45 UTC
Thanks for bringing us back on topic Rick ... and for the good advice.
There's no preflight beyond lying down and checking his distance from the control bar. Here's Garck doing that:
087-22822
http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49206611951_0cabf4084b_o.png
Anybody see any problem with Garck's distance from the control bar? Even with the slight alteration he inadvertently executed in his suspension configuration? Would it have mattered if there had been?
Has anybody who has:Rob Kells - 2005/12
Not one of us regularly uses either of the two most popular methods outlined above.
- not just altered his configuration ever detected a change in clearance with a hang check?
- just altered his configuration only been alerted to that circumstance in the course of a hang check?
Unless it's total crap from some Owens Valley pioneer asshole Emperor Bob values having in his personality cult. Then it's "good advice" - with no qualifications, reservations whatsoever. Listen to this guy, Al. You'll be fine - just as fine as Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney's first Coronet Peak tandem thrill rider was. Maybe even better.Let's face it, ALL of the so-called "fool proof" methods have their failure modes.
And there was absolutely NOTHING in Rick's idiot post that smacked of complacent reliance on a single method...Complacent reliance on any single method will eventually bite each of us.
It was totally OOZING with emphasis on...Extreme vigilance for ourselves...
...extreme vigilance. There's just no more extreme expression of vigilance than putting an issue out of one's mind. Maybe we could get a list of all the other issues Rick puts out of his mind so we muppets can start getting our extreme vigilance ratings up to some level approaching his.At that moment, I would banish all concern about launching unhooked. I had taken care of it. It was done. It was out of my mind.
Where are Rick's flying friends? He's a rugged individualist - up there all by himself. No crew, no crew needed 'cause there was always a gentle straight-in wind to gently lift his wing such that it would transmit gentle tension on his hang strap. Hell, there was nobody else up there even to hold his nose while he was laying down and checking his distance from the control bar.... and our flying friends is the price we must be willing to pay ... to fly like birds.
He always did this. It was part of his unalterable routine. It just took a moment. He was NEVER at launch with anyone else. Then he'd fly for a few hours, land out eighty miles a way, walk back to and up the mountain to retrieve his truck.
Me... When I'm at a mountain launch I'm always having to interrupt setup to help people maneuver their gliders to launch and do wire crew. And I'm watching their suspension like a Kestrel watches a mouse.
This asshole doesn't really give a flying fuck about anyone else. Just wants them to crash due to fringe activity towing incidents to help him misrepresent what's actually going on in the real world.
It's a pretty good bet that The Bob Show maxed out a couple years ago and won't achieve anything more than it has already - which ain't a whole helluva lot to write home about. Granted, the original mission of Kite Strings was to reform the sport and that ain't gonna happen in any century on the horizon - given what we now realize we've really been up against since a wee bit after the beginning of time - but we recognize that and have retargeted to do what damage we can.
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That really doesn't happen on any significant scale and CAN'T. You don't have the critical mass of people with the integrity and brains to make an actual difference. And you won't tolerate any members who DO call you out on crap like this.What will keep the US Hawks from becoming another USHPA or HGAA?
You will ... hopefully. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. Everyone has to do their part once in a while. If you see something that's not being done correctly, then it's your duty to speak out. One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.
Also note that if Emperor Bob ACTUALLY cared about getting and doing things right he wouldn't give a rat's ass whether he was getting called out from within his dictatorship or from anywhere else. He'd respond based on MERIT - regardless of the source. He won't because he can't.
I so did love it when Rooney was shooting his mouth off about me from what he very mistakenly thought was the locked down protection and safety of The Davis Show.