Re: Releases
Posted: 2019/07/11 06:02:25 UTC
I wonder what he uses to catch fish. I'm guessing that it would be fishing line.sanderdelta
The weaklink is made of alluminium.
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I wonder what he uses to catch fish. I'm guessing that it would be fishing line.sanderdelta
The weaklink is made of alluminium.
Jim Rooney - 2008/11/25 20:49:28 UTC
One criteria is of course that they are recognizable... to me... not you.
But that's not it. They are kept because they have a huge track record. That's really hard to argue with.
I've yet to hear anyone successfully do so.
Plastic links...
"Manufactured by Bob" doesn't meet my criteria.
They are not manufactured to tolerances. They're not "manufactured" at all... They are a material that some guy found consistent enough to feel comfortable about. He cuts holes and tests, but it's still Bob in his backyard. He doesn't make the plastic, so he has no control over the quality of it.
That said, I'd feel a whole lot better about these than Tad's stuff.
Tend not to get many of these.Maarten Spoek - 2009/09/22
Images of aerotowing hang gliders in the Netherlands (Stadskanaal). Flying club Daidalos. WW Sport2 pilot is me (Maarten Spoek) and tow pilot on a Dragonfly is Rinus In het Groen.
Harrythehappyhangie - 2021/05/05 04:19:19 UTC
Hi all,
Can anyone give me the contact details for the manufacturer of the Russian Mouth Release please. Thanks
Red Howard - 2021/05/05 14:44:23 UTC
Harry,
In the past, mouth controls (mostly used for throttle, on a motor unit) have had a disastrous history of accidents. The pilot outcomes were appalling, and worse. If the item you want will be in the mouth at launch, I would not endorse that device, unless it was very similar to a football player's mouth-guard.
Some device that is activated by driving a breath into a small rubber tube should be safer that any semi-hard object in the mouth, unless that object is similar to a mouth-guard. I would encourage any reduction in risks, when flying.
My US$.02 worth . . .
Dan DeWeese - 2021/05/06 15:25:47 UTC
the ozreport links to back issues mentioning it are broken.
Post back here if you find it as I'm interested too.
dew98765 - 2021/05/06 19:28:16 UTC
Is this the item that you are asking about?
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=34505
Russian Mouth Release For Sale
Col Rushton - 2021/05/06 21:22:07 UTC
At the Dalby Big Air aero-tow comp 2 weeks ago I saw a few different bridle set ups and releases. 95% were Pro-tow setups with barrel releases, a least one Birren Link-knife release and one Mouth release, both using a pro-tow bridle set-up.
Talking to Michael about his mouth release, he was very happy after 5 years with his set-up, however he was wanting to buy a new one too.
There are many issues to consider when thinking about your towing set-up but being able to release while still holding on, trying to control a worsening situation is a great plus.
My mate thought if a HG manufacturer would sell a mouth release perhaps their use may increase?
Incorporating some of Reds suggestions could be good.
Hope you find your Russian Harry
"All" being everyone on The Jack Show - the worlds largest local coffee shop. The only people worth talking to - thanks, of course, to the quality control measures your local coffee shop owner works so tirelessly to maintain.Harrythehappyhangie - 2021/05/05 04:19:19 UTC
Hi all,
All the reputable towing operations and schools have them readily available - Wallaby, Wilotree, Florida Ridge, Lockout, Kitty Hawk, Blue Sky, Ridgely, Morningside, Cloud 9, Hang Glide Chicago... But what's wrong with the easily reachable job you're using now? If you're so happy as things are why would you be the least bit interested?Can anyone give me the contact details for the manufacturer of the Russian Mouth Release please. Thanks
Red's about to give us the benefit of his boundless wisdom. This should be all you'll ever need to know on the issue. ANY issue for that matter.Red Howard - 2021/05/05 14:44:23 UTC
None of which has actually been documented anywhere. But anything that oozes forth out of any of Red's orifices can be safely taken to the bank.In the past, mouth controls (mostly used for throttle, on a motor unit) have had a disastrous history of accidents.
Yeah, ya wanna be staying with the simple tried and true stuff. Can one even IMAGINE the carnage that might have resulted if one of these assholes:The pilot outcomes were appalling, and worse.
Well here's a thought... Leave it dangling somewhere within easy reach at launch. Then when you get into a lockout situation at a safe interval after launch you can easily reach it, engage it in your mouth, give it a firm bite, clear it, execute a perfectly timed landing flare. But I really have no idea how a scenario like that could occur 'cause an appropriate weak link with a finished length of 1.5 inches or less will always break before you can get into too much trouble.If the item you want will be in the mouth at launch...
And don't ever even THINK of using any equipment or following any procedure not endorsed by Red Howard 'cause he's the world's foremost authority on anything and everything hang gliding. Can we even begin to imagine how many pilots would've died due to the failures of work hardened sidewires if people had ignored Red and adhered to the preflight procedures in their Wills Wing owners manuals? One shudders to think.I would not endorse that device, unless it was very similar to a football player's mouth-guard.
- But Red has always been much to busy warning people of the dangers of existing tow equipment to produce any sane alternatives himself.Some device that is activated by driving a breath into a small rubber tube should be safer that any semi-hard object in the mouth, unless that object is similar to a mouth-guard.
So you'd be OK with me putting a gun to the back of your head and pulling the trigger?I would encourage any reduction in risks, when flying.
Any thoughts on the 2021/05/08 Federico Baratto unhooked launch fatality? Just kidding, you've been FAR too engaged in warning people about the insane dangers of the Kaluzhin release to deal with any ACTUAL issues.My US$.02 worth . . .
The Davis Show itself was broken before it ever started. This is what happens when you get total dickheads it total control of communications, standards, operations.Dan DeWeese - 2021/05/06 15:25:47 UTC
the ozreport links to back issues mentioning it are broken.
People have been INTERESTED since the beginning of time. So any thoughts on why the Russians and Eastern Europeans have been USING these releases since the beginning of time - with ZERO documented issues - while they're virtually nonexistent in the West?Post back here if you find it as I'm interested too.
Yep. 'Cept Dave got ignored and pissed all over in his selfless efforts to help get these into circulation. Last active:dew98765 - 2021/05/06 19:28:16 UTC
Is this the item that you are asking about?
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=34505
Russian Mouth Release For Sale
Why do you think? The hot gliders all looked pretty close to identical, wouldn't one expect the towing equipment to all be the same after decades of positive evolution? The way we see things with sailplanes?Col Rushton - 2021/05/06 21:22:07 UTC
At the Dalby Big Air aero-tow comp 2 weeks ago I saw a few different bridle set ups and releases.
And no mention of differences - so we know they were all bent pin.95% were Pro-tow setups with barrel releases...
It's totally beyond me why anyone would use a Kaluzhin after Peter Birren solved all of our tow issues for us....a least one Birren Link-knife release and one Mouth release, both using a pro-tow bridle set-up.
Guess his smile must've been pretty hard to look at after all those launch face plants with all that metal between his teeth.Talking to Michael about his mouth release, he was very happy after 5 years with his set-up...
Any chance you could get him over there on The Jack Show to tell Red to go fuck himself?...however he was wanting to buy a new one too.
Ya think? Shouldn't we kill a few more Jeff Bohls to make absolutely sure?There are many issues to consider when thinking about your towing set-up but being able to release while still holding on, trying to control a worsening situation is a great plus.
If the fuckin' HG manufacturers weren't all useless pieces o' shit they'd ship ALL of their gliders with bulletproof built-in release systems.My mate thought if a HG manufacturer would sell a mouth release perhaps their use may increase?
Could be - if he weren't totally and permanently full o' shit.Incorporating some of Reds suggestions could be good.
Hope there's enough left of the sport by the time you get it to be able to use it.Hope you find your Russian Harry