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Lisa is the Associate Dean and Professor of Surgery at the University of Michigan Medical School, and is past chair of the USHPA Towing committee.
Jesus H. Christ.

I graduated from the University of Michigan and took classes with a lot of pre-med scumbags. The impression I had at the time was that the system was set up such that one had a choice of two options in one's classes:
- learn something
- memorize enough crap to ace the final then forget it

I went with the former, the pre-meds tended to go with the latter. And I've seen the results of what comes out at the end of that process.

A few years ago I heard an interview with James Earl Jones who was pre-med at the University of Michigan. What he said about that "educational" program matched my perceptions EXACTLY.

I might trust you to take out my appendix or train someone to take out my appendix. But no way in hell would I EVER trust you with anything that required anything in the way of independent, critical, and/or original thinking.
Tracy is a retired university professor...
From Eastern Michigan University in Ypsilanti - a quick bike ride from Ann Arbor.
...current chair of the Towing committee, and regional director for USHPA Regions 7 & 13. He is also a FAAST Team Safety Counselor for the FAA Detroit FSDO area.
Total full of shit asshole who's never done a single goddam thing to move hang gliding in anything remotely resembling a positive direction.
FUCK engineers. Bob's an engineer - and EVERY BIT as toxic to any efforts of advancement. We need SCIENTISTS - people capable of THINKING.
They are both very active multi-engine commercial airplane and glider pilots, tug pilots, and tandem hang gliding instructors for the Dragon Fly Soaring Club at Cloud 9 Field (46MI), Michigan.
Just what hang gliding needs - more assholes who know how to go up and down and left and right.
Please feel free to contact them about towing related issues at cloud9sa@aol.com.
Dear cloud9sa@aol.com,

Stay the fuck out of towing related issues.
The United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association, Inc.
Standard Operating Procedure
12. Rating System
02. Pilot Proficiency System
12. Hang Gliding Aerotow Ratings
-A. Aerotow Rating (AT)

The aerotow skill is a demonstration of the pilot's ability to launch and tow successfully and safely behind a flying tow vehicle. This rating is available to Novice and above rated pilots, and may be demonstrated through "dolly" launch or other launch procedures. Pilots participating in aerotowing are required to have the aerotow rating or be under the supervision of an Aerotow Official. In order to receive the rating, a pilot must pass the AT written exam and demonstrate the following to an Aerotow Official:

01. Demonstrates the assembly and preflight of the system, including inspection of the tow line, tow line connection, tow bridles and releases.
Neither one of you assholes rates an AT signoff. And to have you chairing the Towing Committee, publishing articles in the magazine, dictating policy...
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Re: Weak links

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Tracy Tillman - 2012/06

There are many reasons, but for most pilots it is not because the standard 130 lb. green spot Dacron line used to make weak links for hang gliders is too weak.
That is the third most idiotic statement I've read regarding weak links.

Jim Gaar gets the Gold with his stupendous proclamation -

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27494
The exciting bits
Jim Gaar - 2012/04/27 03:34:28 UTC

We adapt and fly on, lesson learned each time.
Weak-links break! They are supposed to...we are ready for that. It's what we do.
Jim Rooney, with his keen intellect, a close second -

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
Jim Rooney - 2011/09/02 19:41:27 UTC

Please note that the weaklink *saved* her ass. She still piled into the earth despite the weaklink helping her...
Congratulations Tracy, you made it to the podium of USHPA's top ranked idiots.
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Re: Weak links

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Let's not be sexist. The article is coauthored and Lisa has top billing.
And the cost of an extra six inches of yellow ribbon won't even come close to putting us in the red.
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Cloud 9 Fun Facts:
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When determining a safe rating for a weak link the load capacity of the glider - six Gs or more (and mentioned nowhere in the article) - is not a consideration. We are only concerned with the FAA regulation limiting the weak link to a max of twice maximum certified operating weight.
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There is no value in knowing actual normal tow tensions between tugs and gliders. It is only important to know that the climb rates of which Dragonflies equipped with 914 engines and Prince P-tip propellers are amazing.
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A tandem glider can be as heavy as 571 pounds.
It can use a weak link of 1142 pounds towline.
The load on a two point release at weak link is 657 pounds.
Aerotow releases are required to be able to handle twice weak link or 1313 pounds.
Cloud 9 two point releases can handle 1313 pounds.
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Secondary releases must incorporate bent pins. This design is based on several decades of experience and hundreds of thousands of tows conducted by numerous aerotow operators across the county.
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"A weak link must be placed at both ends of the tow line." means "Put a weak link on one end of a bridle and don't use a secondary weak link on the other side of the tow ring."
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The only bridles capable of wrapping at tow rings are those onto whose ends people have installed Tost weak link inserts. But since no one is stupid enough to install a Tost weak link insert on a bridle end bridles are incapable of wrapping and thus no secondary weak links are necessary. (There's not a single mention of a secondary weak link in the article.)
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Tug drivers are always very conscientious about ensuring that their weak links are between one and twenty-five percent over those of the gliders they're towing.
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A release cannot be used to terminate a lockout. The pilot's only option is to wait for the weak link to blow. (It's good to see that Drs. Colletti and Tillman are so totally on board with Tom Peghiny's admonition to "Never take your hands off the bar." (But of course whereas Tom Peghiny only flew with releases which could be actuated with both hands on the bar, Drs. Colletti and Tillman only fly with release which can't be actuated with both hands on the bar - so it may be an apples and oranges thing.))
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It is impossible for a glider in the cone of safety behind a tug to lock out. If it were possible the cone of safety wouldn't be called the cone of safety.
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A nominal one G weak link blows at a load 1.74 times the strength of an actual one G weak link.
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A de jure loop of 130 pound Greenspot on the top end of a two point bridle blows between 125 and 226 pounds towline tension.
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A de facto loop of 130 pound Greenspot on the top end of a two point bridle blows at 452 pounds towline tension.
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De facto loops of 130 pound Greenspot are much more reliable than de jure loops of 130 pound Greenspot and are well worth the two or three pennies worth of additional cost.
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If tandem operators think that, practically, a double loop of 130 pound Greenspot is too much for a tandem, it is way too much for a solo pilot.
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If solo pilots blow six single loops of 130 pound Greenspot in a row, a tandem operator may think that, practically, a double loop is not too much for a solo pilot. Under such circumstances a double loop is not way too much for a solo pilot.
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A 2.85 G weak link blows at 285 percent of the strength a one G weak link.
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To convert units of tow tension to units of tow pressure multiply by one.
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To convert units of tow pressure to units of tow tension divide by one.
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A weak link that fails when the glider is under control is "inconsistent" - regardless of actual tension.
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A weak link that fails in an emergency situation has performed "properly" - regardless of actual tension and what happens after it has failed.
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A light weak link can pose a threat to a pilot and/or his T2C over landable terrain only if he is flying in competition - never recreationally.
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Gliders do not stall following weak link blows and/or lockouts. (The word appears nowhere in the article.)
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For a pilot flying recreationally over landable terrain weak links can only blow inadvertently, inconsistently, too frequently, unintentionally, and at relatively high incidences. None of these blows is ever dangerous.
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If a weak link blows while a pilot is flying - competitively or recreationally - over unlandable terrain the glider will descend straight down. So never tow over unlandable terrain unless your parachute has been repacked within the previous six months.
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When a loop of fishing line is secured to a bridle eye using a Double Lark's Head a garroting action occurs which causes an inconsistent failure point.
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When a length of fishing line is secured to a bridle by coiling it around the end of a bridle eye and tying the ends to form a loop no such garroting action occurs and it maintains a consistent failure point.
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When a loop of fishing line is secured to a bridle eye using a Double Lark's Head it has the ability to loosen, shift, and wear.
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When a length of fishing line is secured to a bridle by coiling it around the end of a bridle eye and tying the ends to form a loop it does not have the ability to loosen, shift, and wear.
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A knot in a loop (double strand) weak link weakens it and weakens it inconsistently.
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The two knots involved in a triple strand weak link have no effect whatsoever on the breaking point. If the material is 130 pound test the triple strand weak link will blow consistently at 390 pounds.
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Because the stress on a one point weak link is 15 percent under what it is on a two point, one should use 160 test instead of 130 for one point and thus increase the rating by 23 percent.
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It's impossible to fly a loop of 130 pound Greenspot on a solo glider below the FAA minimum of eighty percent of max certified operating weight - even if you blow six consecutive launches.
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The precision of the failure point of a wrapped and tied 130 pound Greenspot weak link is one of the true miracles of modern aviation.
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The precision of the failure point of a wrapped and tied 130 pound Greenspot weak link is so remarkable that one need not be the least bit concerned with the imprecision of the flying and maximum certified operating weights of individual solo gliders.
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Top quality weak links will hold well when flying through heavy turbulence and experiencing heavy loads but blow reliably at the first sign of a lockout under light loading.
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Increasing one point bridle length is an effective technique for reducing the load on the weak link.
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Sailplane weak links - whose ratings are determined by bench testing - virtually never blow.
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Hang glider weak links - whose ratings are based on so much practical information and knowledge gleaned from the real world of aerotowing, developed over decades and hundreds of thousands of tows by experts in the field, that it would be patently absurd to bench test them - go off like popcorn.
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Unlike sailplane pilots, hardly any hang glider pilots aerotow smoothly enough to keep their planes in position well enough to prevent structural failure were it not for the timely intervention of 130 pound Greenspot weak links.
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People should use fins to keep tow tensions down to manageable levels.
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Much practical information and knowledge have been gleaned from the real world of aerotowing, developed over decades and hundreds of thousands of tows using single loops of 130 pound Greenspot by experts in the field. Unfortunately, this practical information and knowledge is far to complex for any weekend warrior pilot to have any possibility of understanding it. But those people really know what they're talking about so a weekend warrior pilot should do what they say - and ignore what other experts in the field with practical information and knowledge gleaned from the real world of aerotowing and developed over decades and hundreds of thousands of tows at other operations are saying - and explaining in manners which make sense.
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It is important to realize that most sailplane operations use polypro - which can stretch up to twenty percent BEFORE breaking and cut its way through the canopy and into the cockpit AFTER breaking - for the tow rope rather than Spectra - which can't stretch up to twenty percent BEFORE breaking and cut its way through the canopy and into the cockpit AFTER breaking.
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Polypro can only reduce transmitted loads by stretching. It can can never increase them by contracting.
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A Tost weak link can recoil into a pilot's face but a tow ring is of no concern.
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Just using a one and a half G weak link is insufficient to protect a glider from structural failure. It is necessary to include in the system polypro - which can stretch up to twenty percent before breaking - as a shock absorber to soften impact loads. We know this because people who include polypro in a system along with a one and a half G weak link have never broken a glider.
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Based on several decades of experience and hundreds of thousands of tows conducted by numerous aerotow operators across the county, the de facto weak link standard has become a 260 pound weak link made as a loop of 130 pound Greenspot IGFA Dacron braided fishing line attached to one end of the pilot's V-bridle. It is a de facto standard, because it works for most pilots and gliders and is usually near the USHPA recommendation of a nominal one weak link for most pilots with flying weights from 165 to 390 pounds - one and two point.

And, most remarkably, it was the very first strength of IGFA Dacron braided fishing line that numerous aerotow operators across the county and experts in the field tried.

And whenever anyone experimented with lighter strengths of IGFA Dacron braided fishing line people would pop off of tow as many as six times in a row.

And whenever anyone experimented with heavier strengths of IGFA Dacron braided fishing line Wallaby, Lookout, and bent pin releases would start locking up, gliders would start locking out and breaking up, and tugs would crash left and right. Dozens of people from both ends of the line were were killed, untold scores were maimed, and hundreds are with us today only because they were able to get their parachutes out in time.

All of us owe huge debts to the brave test pilots - living and dead - who pioneered these standards and procedures for us.
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130 pound Greenspot being used behind 914 Dragonflies with efficient propellers requires more protection than 130 pound Greenspot being used behind less powerful tugs with slower climb rates.
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A single loop of 160 pound IGFA Dacron braided fishing line is the heaviest weak link a solo glider should ever consider using.
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If loops of 130 pound Greenspot keep blowing before one can get ten feet off the cart one should review his procedures for tying and installing them, ensure that that there is adequate elasticity in the system, and really concentrate on launching and flying smoothly.
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Although the blow of a weak link - ideally a loop of 130 pound Greenspot - is one's only defense against a lockout one should do everything one can to strengthen and protect it to keep it from breaking.
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For some people, talking about weak links is more like talking about religion, politics, or global warming - they can get very emotional about it and have difficulty discussing it logically, rationally, or with civility. But Drs. Colletti and Tillman have no difficulty whatsoever talking about it calmly, logically, rationally, and with civility - totally unencumbered by the thought process and anyone employing it.
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You can take whatever Drs. Colletti and Tillman say to the bank because it's practical information and knowledge gleaned from the real world of aerotowing, developed over decades and hundreds of thousands of tows by experts in the field and has been peer reviewed by the people Dr. Tillman has appointed to the Towing Committee - all of whom are capable of talking about the issues calmly, logically, rationally, and with civility and totally unencumbered by the thought process and anyone employing it.
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Re: Weak links

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/skysailingtowing/message/4592
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Tracy Tillman - 2005/02/08 19:16:10 UTC

The sailplane guys have been doing this for a long time, and there are many hang glider pilots and quite a few tug pilots who don't understand what the sailplane guys have learned over the years.
Yeah, polypro shock absorbers, weak links that blow early in lockouts, cones of safety, and smooth flying pilots. Just what we need.
It certainly would help if hang glider towing methods and training were standardized to the degree that they are in the sailplane world.
Fuck the sailplane guys.

Sailplane and hang glider manufacturers have both advanced the technologies and produced some pretty nice ships. But the people who fly them are mostly assholes who haven't done shit for the sports since Wilbur and Orville figured out the basics at the beginning of the previous century.

There are TONS of fiberglass people flying Dacron and Dacron people flying fiberglass. And if EITHER group had a fuckin' clue with respect to the THEORY underlying sailplane operations...
Zack C - 2012/06/02 02:20:45 UTC

I just cannot fathom how our sport can be so screwed up.
...hang gliding wouldn't be the perpetual and deteriorating disaster area it is and shitheads like you and Lisa wouldn't be able to get away with loading up the SOPs and magazine with the kind of rot you do.

P.S. You name me ONE THING in either of these sports that takes YEARS - versus MINUTES - for anyone with an IQ in the higher double digits or better to figure out.
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http://ozreport.com/3.136
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Mark "Forger" Stucky - 1999/12/21

Many months ago I wrote to you with the idea of trying to do some hang glider aerotow testing, the intent of which was to define the actual loads encountered under differing conditions of tugs (low and high power), gliders (beginner, intermediate, and advanced), and pilot weights (single and tandem). Due to the magic of your Straub Report, instant interest was gathered and Malcolm at Wallaby Ranch was quick to call, leaving a message that he would be glad to sponsor the testing.

The brains behind the effort was Jim Murray, a NASA engineer who specializes in flight dynamics and is a true-life "Maguiver" with a reputation of being able to instrument a gnat's knee. Early in the Eclipse (aerotowed F-106) program, in which I was the test pilot, the computer simulation revealed the existence of an oscillatory tension mode in the towrope. The computer predicted something like a 12,000-pound steady-state tension value but overlaid on top of it was a continuous cycling value of several thousand pounds. In some cases this "bungee" mode would grow unstable and eventually exceeding the 24,000-pound weaklink. The level of bungee present was dependent upon the two aircraft, the stability characteristics of the tethered pair, the towrope attachment points, and the towrope itself.

Like the Spectra line used in many hang glider tow operations, the exceptionally strong Vectran towrope we were planning on using had low stretch characteristics. This meant low shock absorption and increased chances of encountering the bungee mode. At the other extreme a nylon towrope would have been too springy and it too could result in dramatic (traumatic?) bungee oscillations. The computer predicted a certain level of stretch would give the best tow characteristics. For our initial flights we planned on adding a 50 foot section of nylon strapping in the middle of the 1000 foot length of the 3/4" diameter Vectran rope.

There was some skepticism about the mere existence of this bungee mode. The Germans had towed unconventional aircraft during the war years -- large troop-carrying transport aircraft, even multiple aircraft were towed. They also towed the swept wing Me-103 Komet, the first rocket-powered fighter. Pilots hated towing the Komet and a USAF test pilot who got the lucky straw to tow a captured Komet described the tow as the scariest experience of his life. Even NASA's predecessor, NACA had towed a propeller-less P-51 Mustang in an aborted attempt to compare it's real world L/D to what had been obtained through wind tunnel testing. The steel tow cable broke wrapping around the aircraft, interfering with control, and resulting in a crash.

In all these tests there was never any mention of any bungee mode - did it really exist or was it some computer artifact? The answer was to run the simulation using conventional glider and tow aircraft numbers. The simulation indicated the bungee mode existed in normal everyday towing of sailplanes. Some of the old-time sailplane pilots expressed doubt over the simulation because over their years of towing experience they hadn't noticed any bungee mode. One said, "I've never felt no stinking bungee" (or words to that effect).

So Murray made up a couple of battery powered instrumentation packages, each about the size of a lunch box. We put one in a rented Pawnee tug plane and one in a rented Grob sailplane. The one at the front of the towrope read tow tension (using a solid state metal link at the attach point). The package in the Grob read longitudinal acceleration.

We launched in early morning conditions and the tug looked for level flight in smooth air. We flew at a couple different speeds and tow positions but most of the data was gathered at 55 mph, which was published L/D max for the Grob.

The data showed the bungee mode was very evident and I swear I could feel it. It was always present to a minor extent but was easily excited by turbulence or maneuvering, in which case it took several cycles and perhaps twenty to thirty seconds to reduce it back down to it's normal small oscillations. Probably the greatest excitation of the bungee occurred during the takeoff roll, most likely due to bumps in the dirt runway.

So what about the issue of the bungee mode and its effect on the Eclipse program? We found that as predicted, there was a stable region on low tow where the bungee was minimized and where the F-106 was extremely easy to fly on tow. Outside of that stable region the bungee became more of a factor and the F-106 became more and more of a handful to fly. In fact, in a conventional high tow position it was quite unstable and if I wasn't extremely careful the weak link would fail within several seconds.

Without doing any dedicated tests with hang gliders I can only guess but I think it is reasonable to expect the bungee mode is present in hang glider towing. In fact, I think we've all felt it while platform towing, the surging of tension that occurs when the drum is slowly unwinding at the end of the tow. I attributed the pulsing in tension to the difference in the static and dynamic friction coefficients of the disk brake. While this may partly be true, the cycle itself could be caused by the bungee mode of the towrope.

So what does this mean to hang glider towing and weak links? It means that a weak link that is the perfect value on a spectra towline would be the wrong value on a polypropylene rope. It means a weak link that is perfect on a 150 foot towline could be less-than-perfect on a 200 foot length. It means that a weak link that is perfect on a large-diameter wheeled dolly on a concrete runway could be too weak on a rough runway or a less absorbing dolly. It means a weak link that works with a lightweight tug won't be right for a high-power, high mass tug. It means the towrope attachment point can be critical and the effect may be exacerbated if not in the proper tow position or if flying tandem.

It means that towing may be easier and weak links less prone to breaking if a small amount of shock absorption was added to low-stretch towlines. Perhaps a few feet of nylon rope on the end next to the pilot would be sufficient. I remember the smoothest tow I ever had was on a stationary hydraulic winch in Canada. I attributed the smoothness to the hydraulics but perhaps a contributing factor was the twenty feet of 1/2" nylon rope that was added to the end of the towline so it would hang down below the inside wingtip during turns on a step tow.

One last point to make is the breaking strength of rope is very dependent on the radius of any knot or bend in it. A weak link that is looped around a metal ring will fail at a higher value than one looped around a narrow loop of nylon.

Obviously, the correct weak link depends on many variables and identifying what works best would take a bit flight research (perhaps just a single day worth of smooth air flights). This did not occur because several things happened since I first wrote to you. First, Jim Murray was shipped off to the east coast to work a temporary assignment on the "Mars Flyer" -- a remote aircraft designed to fly in the atmosphere of Mars on the centennial anniversary of the Wright brothers first flight. Secondly, I decided to leave what on the top surface was my dream job as a NASA research pilot to pursue a job with the airlines. There were many reasons for this decision, not the least of which was NASA's continuing aeronautical budget cuts, emphasis on unpiloted aircraft, and their seemingly inability to get things done.

The NASA administrator's "Faster, Better, Cheaper" mantra has become a joke in the industry, reminding me of Jack Nicholson's presidential proclamation in the movie "Mars Attacks" when, in the midst of mass destruction, he gets on national TV and says something along the lines of, "I know I promised you these three things but hey, two out of three ain't bad." Unfortunately, with NASA's current record the quote would be more along the lines of "hey, none out of three ain't bad."

Until we ever do a real hang glider aerotow research project we can only make semi-educated guesses on the bungee mode and its effect on the towing of hang gliders. The intent of this writing was to point out some of the issues and to apologize for my failure to follow through with the research that I hinted at so long ago. A number of pilots sent emails to me at NASA asking me about the status of the project and encouraging me to pursue it. Unfortunately, when I went to retrieve all of those archived messages in my last week at NASA I found I had already been locked me out of the email system so I can't answer those emails individually.

Someday I may be able to get together with Murray and do the research. In the meantime, if you are ever flying the "friendly skies of United" look for me in the right seat of a Boeing 737 (especially if you are flying any of the west coast "Shuttle" routes).

1999 US Team
Many months ago I wrote to you with the idea of trying to do some hang glider aerotow testing, the intent of which was to define the actual loads encountered under differing conditions of tugs (low and high power), gliders (beginner, intermediate, and advanced), and pilot weights (single and tandem).
Yeah. Davis - the point man for the scientific advancement of hang gliding. Excellent choice.
Due to the magic of your Straub Report...
Sewer.
...instant interest was gathered and Malcolm at Wallaby Ranch was quick to call, leaving a message that he would be glad to sponsor the testing.
Yeah, good ol' brake lever velcroed to the downtube, bent pin secondary, 130 pound Greenspot Malcolm. Another excellent choice.
The brains behind the effort was Jim Murray, a NASA engineer who specializes in flight dynamics and is a true-life "Maguiver"...
MacGyver.
...with a reputation of being able to instrument a gnat's knee. Early in the Eclipse (aerotowed F-106) program, in which I was the test pilot, the computer simulation revealed the existence of an oscillatory tension mode in the towrope. The computer predicted something like a 12,000-pound steady-state tension value but overlaid on top of it was a continuous cycling value of several thousand pounds. In some cases this "bungee" mode would grow unstable and eventually exceeding the 24,000-pound weaklink.
- The maximum takeoff weight is 41,831 pounds.
- So you're towing at 0.29 Gs.
- And your weak link is 0.57 Gs.
- Why?
- Were you breaking any 24 thousand pound weak links?
The level of bungee present was dependent upon the two aircraft, the stability characteristics of the tethered pair, the towrope attachment points, and the towrope itself.

Like the Spectra line used in many hang glider tow operations, the exceptionally strong Vectran towrope we were planning on using had low stretch characteristics.
Good idea.
This meant low shock absorption and increased chances of encountering the bungee mode.
YOU'RE TOWING THROUGH *AIR*. AIR has EXCELLENT shock absorption. Ever notice the way when you're towing with nothing but Spectra or Vectran you're not feeling any shocks?
At the other extreme a nylon towrope would have been too springy and it too could result in dramatic (traumatic?) bungee oscillations.
Yeah, that's why you wanna go to the other extreme.
The computer predicted a certain level of stretch would give the best tow characteristics.
The computer was programmed by a moron.
For our initial flights we planned on adding a 50 foot section of nylon strapping in the middle of the 1000 foot length of the 3/4" diameter Vectran rope.
Idiots.
There was some skepticism about the mere existence of this bungee mode. The Germans had towed unconventional aircraft during the war years -- large troop-carrying transport aircraft, even multiple aircraft were towed. They also towed the swept wing Me-103 Komet, the first rocket-powered fighter. Pilots hated towing the Komet and a USAF test pilot who got the lucky straw to tow a captured Komet described the tow as the scariest experience of his life.
Shoulda tried going up with a Wallaby primary, Bailey secondary, and standard aerotow weak link.
Even NASA's predecessor, NACA had towed a propeller-less P-51 Mustang in an aborted attempt to compare it's real world L/D to what had been obtained through wind tunnel testing. The steel tow cable broke wrapping around the aircraft, interfering with control, and resulting in a crash.
Maybe it would've been a good idea to use a:
- four G cable
- two G weak link on the front end
- one and a half G weak link on the back end

Shitheads.
In all these tests there was never any mention of any bungee mode - did it really exist or was it some computer artifact? The answer was to run the simulation using conventional glider and tow aircraft numbers. The simulation indicated the bungee mode existed in normal everyday towing of sailplanes. Some of the old-time sailplane pilots expressed doubt over the simulation because over their years of towing experience they hadn't noticed any bungee mode. One said, "I've never felt no stinking bungee" (or words to that effect).
But let's find this problem anyway so we can solve it.
So Murray made up a couple of battery powered instrumentation packages, each about the size of a lunch box. We put one in a rented Pawnee tug plane and one in a rented Grob sailplane. The one at the front of the towrope read tow tension (using a solid state metal link at the attach point). The package in the Grob read longitudinal acceleration.

We launched in early morning conditions and the tug looked for level flight in smooth air. We flew at a couple different speeds and tow positions but most of the data was gathered at 55 mph, which was published L/D max for the Grob.

The data showed the bungee mode was very evident and I swear I could feel it.
What were you using for a towline?
It was always present to a minor extent but was easily excited by turbulence or maneuvering, in which case it took several cycles and perhaps twenty to thirty seconds to reduce it back down to it's normal small oscillations.
What were you using for a towline?
Probably the greatest excitation of the bungee occurred during the takeoff roll, most likely due to bumps in the dirt runway.
What were you using for a towline?
So what about the issue of the bungee mode and its effect on the Eclipse program? We found that as predicted, there was a stable region on low tow where the bungee was minimized and where the F-106 was extremely easy to fly on tow. Outside of that stable region the bungee became more of a factor and the F-106 became more and more of a handful to fly. In fact, in a conventional high tow position it was quite unstable and if I wasn't extremely careful the weak link would fail within several seconds.
- Oh. You put fifty feet of nylon into the tow configuration and you detected a bungee effect. Who'da thunk?

- Oh. You got surges as a result of putting fifty feet of nylon into the tow configuration, got out of the optimal position, and blew a weak link 0.23 Gs short of the FAA's legal minimum and 1.43 Gs short of the FAA's legal maximum for sailplanes. Who'da thunk?

- What results did you get when you towed WITHOUT the nylon?
Without doing any dedicated tests with hang gliders I can only guess but I think it is reasonable to expect the bungee mode is present in hang glider towing.
With the total fucking morons who put polypro into the system? Yeah. Pretty good bet.
In fact, I think we've all felt it while platform towing, the surging of tension that occurs when the drum is slowly unwinding at the end of the tow. I attributed the pulsing in tension to the difference in the static and dynamic friction coefficients of the disk brake. While this may partly be true, the cycle itself could be caused by the bungee mode of the towrope.
It could be. But since nobody's feeling it when they're aerotowing with Spectra it's probably not.
So what does this mean to hang glider towing and weak links?
I have no idea. Let's consult Drs. Colletti and Tillman. With all their experience with all the factors and variability that exist in the big, real world and backgrounds in formal research it's really hard to believe that we wouldn't get some really good answers.
It means that a weak link that is the perfect value on a spectra towline would be the wrong value on a polypropylene rope.
Idiot.
It means a weak link that is perfect on a 150 foot towline could be less-than-perfect on a 200 foot length.
Idiot.
It means that a weak link that is perfect on a large-diameter wheeled dolly on a concrete runway could be too weak on a rough runway or a less absorbing dolly.
Idiot.
It means a weak link that works with a lightweight tug won't be right for a high-power, high mass tug.
Idiot.
It means the towrope attachment point can be critical and the effect may be exacerbated if not in the proper tow position or if flying tandem.
Here are a few thoughts...
- Align the towline with the tug's thrust line.
- Tow the glider two point.
- Stay in position behind the tug.
- Use one and a half G weak links.
It means that towing may be easier and weak links less prone to breaking if a small amount of shock absorption was added to low-stretch towlines.
Look dude...
- Use a fuckin' weak link one and a half times fuckin' max glider weight. They don't break until the tow's over anyway.
- KEEP ELASTIC MATERIALS THE HELL OUT OF THE SYSTEM.
Perhaps a few feet of nylon rope on the end next to the pilot would be sufficient.
Idiot.
I remember the smoothest tow I ever had was on a stationary hydraulic winch in Canada.
Yeah. Mike Deadeye Robertson, no doubt.
I attributed the smoothness to the hydraulics but perhaps a contributing factor was the twenty feet of 1/2" nylon rope that was added to the end of the towline so it would hang down below the inside wingtip during turns on a step tow.
A living - though depth perception challenged - testament to the benefits of shock absorbing towlines and ideal weak links.
One last point to make is the breaking strength of rope is very dependent on the radius of any knot or bend in it.
Yes.
A weak link that is looped around a metal ring will fail at a higher value than one looped around a narrow loop of nylon.
You've tested that, right?
They virtually ALWAYS blow at a knot - and that takes the metal ring versus narrow loop of NYLON out of the equation.
Obviously, the correct weak link depends on many variables and identifying what works best would take a bit flight research (perhaps just a single day worth of smooth air flights).
No no no no. What you really need is practical information and knowledge gleaned from the real world of aerotowing, developed over decades and hundreds of thousands of tows by experts in the field. This is the only possible way to determine that a loop of 130 pound Greenspot on a solo one or two point bridle is the correct weak link which works best for most pilots and gliders and is usually near the USHPA recommendation of a nominal one G weak link for most pilots.

The CORRECT weak link depends on ONE variable - the MAXIMUM CERTIFIED OPERATING WEIGHT of the glider. Read the fuckin' manual.
The NASA administrator's "Faster, Better, Cheaper" mantra has become a joke in the industry, reminding me of Jack Nicholson's presidential proclamation in the movie "Mars Attacks" when, in the midst of mass destruction, he gets on national TV and says something along the lines of, "I know I promised you these three things but hey, two out of three ain't bad." Unfortunately, with NASA's current record the quote would be more along the lines of "hey, none out of three ain't bad."
This is EXACTLY why hang glider aerotowing is perpetually up to its neck in this bullshit. Go back and read some Hewett.
- Don't wanna spring for a good tension regulating payout winch? Use a nylon towline and a tension gauge.
- Don't feel like engineering a safe release system? Use a half to one G weak link and put somebody on the back of the truck with a machete.
Until we ever do a real hang glider aerotow research project we can only make semi-educated guesses on the bungee mode and its effect on the towing of hang gliders.
A REAL hang glider aerotow research project? Why? We've got several decades of experience and hundreds of thousands of tows conducted by numerous aerotow operators across the county on which to base our decisions and have a really good de facto weak link standard - a proven system that works.
The intent of this writing was to point out some of the issues and to apologize for my failure to follow through with the research that I hinted at so long ago. A number of pilots sent emails to me at NASA asking me about the status of the project and encouraging me to pursue it.
Funny how much apathy and hostility there was when I did the in flight testing that you never got around to and published a solid set of standards - which were essentially a reinvention and refinement of sailplaning's wheel.
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Thanks for the landing articles
Kinsley Sykes - 2012/07/03 00:35:10 UTC

Jim,

Thanks for writing up the landing articles. It was really helpful to have it all in one place. I have had a bunch of sled runs the past few weeks (including two weaklink breaks on tow), so I have been doing more landings than normal. They have all been solid and I was thinking through kernels of the articles on each landing.

Appreciate the effort you put into doing it.
And don't forget to thank the little shit for the two sled conditions weak link breaks. Must've slammed into some of that 914 propwash. Gotta watch those Mach 5 takeoffs.

Asshole.
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http://ozreport.com/16.131
Mitch and the ET for landing practice
Mitch Shipley - 2012/07/02 13::08:57 UTC

There have been nice recent Oz Report threads and articles on how to successfully land a hang glider! I particularly find Jim Rooney's stuff right on and enlightening...
Of course you do, Mitch. I too always find his comments solid, based on hundreds of hours / tows of experience and backed up by a keen intellect/knowledge of the issues when it comes to most things in general and hang gliding AT/Towing in particular. And I'd also like to go on record in case anyone reading wants to know the one person's comments he should give weight to.
...mostly because he is thorough and does not present it as "one size fits all".
Nah. That's just for standard aerotow weak links.

http://ozreport.com/16.078
The Rob Kells Meet
Davis Straub - 2012/04/18 15:02:09 UTC

Mitch Shipley (T2C 144) crashed at launch after a weak link break. He tried to stretch out the downwind leg and then drug a tip turning it around and took out his keel (at least).
Moron.
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Avianonline Limited - 2012
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It is helpful for the pilot to be able to supply their own weak link in case there is a problem of a too strong weak link else where in the system. (Good pilots use very light or weak weak links as high loads should not occur with a good tow. Beginners might be tempted to use a heavy weak link after multiple weak link failures. This is extremely dangerous and it is highly recommended that you have your towing videoed and then correct the pilot error and do NOT change the weak link for a stronger one.)
No ghost of a mention of:
- glider model, size, flying weight, maximum certified operating weight
- weak link strength or material
- G rating, lower or upper limits

No matter what piece of fishing line you're using or - more typically - being forced to use blows when you're stable and straight and level with the tug...

It's YOUR fault. YOU did something wrong. And you need to look at the video frame by frame to figure out what it was.

And if it blows six times in a row don't try anything twenty pounds heavier - that would be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS!!! Try losing your packup gear, water, parachute, helmet, and wheels and taking a piss to get your ratio a little closer to Karen's and Ayesha's.

Un fucking believable.

Bobby, Rhett, Davis, Jim, Tracy, Lisa... It must be really great to be assured of finding such wonderful friends no matter where you go on this planet.

What a depressingly stupid sport. And every time I start thinking that the pendulum's just GOTTA start swinging the other way...
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HIGHER EDUCATION ?
michael170 - 2012/06/06 03:14:26 UTC

Did anyone here bother to read Drs. Lisa Colletti and Tracy Tillman's thirteen page idiotic article in the June issue of USHPA's worthless magazine?
Counting the idiotic references - fourteen page.
NMERider - 2012/06/06 03:25:09 UTC
You are being much too complimentary IMHO. I got so nauseated reading it I had to take a breather. Image Do you mean to tell me they wrote an article that wasn't insipid and self-congratulatory to the extreme? I've found their entire series on aerotowing to come off rather poorly to say the least. A sad waste of such exalted and highly qualified medical professionals. How do I know this? Well they won't stop patting each other on the back about how great they both are. Pardon me while I puke. Image
Ooh! Jonathan! You just earned a lot of points!
A sad waste of such exalted and highly qualified medical professionals.
- Only one of them is a medical professional. Tracy was an engineering professor. No - really.
- Nah, they were both working at the upper limits of their capacities.
2012/06/06 06:31:08 UTC - 3 thumbs up - Glenn Zapien
How did I manage to miss this one?

P.S. If I had waited until this morning...
Fred Bickford - 2012/07/18 12:01

A prime example of abusing pharmaceuticals. } mixingmeds
...I wouldn't have had to dig back to Page 8.
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