Re: 2005/09/03 AT crash
Posted: 2014/08/02 00:06:22 UTC
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=865
Tandem pilot and passenger death
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25656
The young girl who died hang gliding solo
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
Tandem pilot and passenger death
Good start, Davis.Davis Straub - 2005/10/08 21:31:15 UTC
Entitlemenst
Jeff Nielsen - 2005/10/08 00:12:33 UTC
Jeff was begging for answers and knows the family but not a word said that we know of?
Yeah, he probably shoulda qualified that with adjectives like meaningful and honest.A number of words have been said here and in the Oz Report. So this statement is false.
If no answer is ready, how does one know 1) what reasonable time might something like this take? 6 months? 6 years? 100 years?
To work on getting stories straight, wear people down, burn out their microscopic attention spans... Yeah.Six months is reasonable.
Yeah Davis...Apparently the FAA is investigating as was (or is) a person locally. Aviation accident investigations offen last many years.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25656
The young girl who died hang gliding solo
So we've heard.Jim Rooney - 2012/03/06 18:34:14 UTC
ND's onto it.
No one ever wants to wait for the accident investigation... they want to know "NOW DAMNIT!" and there's always a lot of self-serving arguments surrounding it.
And it's always the same.
The same damn arguments get drug up every time. And they're all just as pointless every time.
We have a system in place.
It works.
Let it work.
Our procedures are well established at this point in time and there are no gaping hidden holes that need to be addressed immediately.
RR asked what the status was.
ND's provided the answer (thank you).
Please take a deep breath. And wait.
Accident investigations involving fatalities take a long time. And by long, I mean they can take years.
(yes, years, I'm not kidding)
The sky is not falling.
Sure. That fit's right in with the ol' USHGA Mission Statement...No one. There is no obligation to do any of this. If private persons wish to do it, then fine, but there is no entitlement to know anything.2) who is in charge to keep a family updated as to what is going on?
...just fine.USHPA's mission is to ensure the future of free flight.
The association will pursue its mission through:
Advocacy. USHPA will interact, proactively when possible and reactively when required, with agencies, organizations and individuals whose interests affect our sport.
Communication. Externally, USHPA will advance the positive awareness of hang gliding and paragliding among the non-flying public. Internally, the organization will cultivate a culture of communication and transparency.
Community. USHPA will promote a sense of community among members both locally and nationally.
Flying sites. USHPA will support the development of new flying sites and the preservation of existing sites.
Learning. USHPA will support learning, in part by providing an organizational framework for instructor and pilot training and certification.
Safety. USHPA will steadily foster a culture of safety.
He's a saboteur.Joe Gregor may or may not do a report. He is a volunteer.3) where would one find an official report when it is done and how would they know it's complete?
Fuck that. An organization that controls a branch of aviation and presents itself to the FAA, the public, and its members as it does in its Mission Statement and does its job with that contemptible level of responsibility has no moral right to exist.He may or may not put a summary in the USHGA HG/PG Magazine. He may or may not make all his notes or a full report available. If it becomes available he may or may not tell you and you may or may not know until it is published.
Fuck the FAA too. People should've gone to jail on that one.The FAA may or may not produce a report.
Nobody. First they waited for a month while being treated with pure unadulterated contempt by the hang gliding "community" in general and the coverup team in particular.If a summary of the report is in the magazine, you read it there. If Joe sends me a copy I publish it. If he produces a whole report it may or may not be up on the members only section of the USHGA web site. There is no obligation to do any of this.4) how does one access that report when it is done?I have no idea. Who did they ask? Who did they sue first?Did the family get these answers?
Fuck you and...I'm pretty upset that I don't have a lot of things, but I learn to live with it. I was very unhappy and frustrated by the results of the last two presidential elections, for example. Trivial compared to the death of one person you say, hardly.If I lost a loved one and everyone no information were forthcoming, I would be pretty upset too.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?
...anyone and everyone who will have anything to do with you.Jim Rooney - 2011/08/28 06:15:12 UTC
You may not know, but Davis is a friend of mine.
Lessee... Federal laws were flagrantly violated by both Arlan and Gary. Can't prosecute Arlan 'cause he's dead but you can go after Gary, subpoena witnesses, and jail them for contempt of court or perjury.Well I've given you names of local pilots who might know something, but it is entirely up to them whether they will even talk to you or anyone else.I would want some type of answers even if it's "no one knows for sure but here are some of the possibilities and we will know more in 3 months most likely."
Why? What are you and your fellow sleazebags afraid of. Seems to me that only Hang Glide Chicago, Gary, and Arlan's estate are at risk. If they were negligent, which they were, and their negligence resulted in the death of a student pilot, which it did, then why wouldn't you want responsible parties punished?Frankly, I wouldn't given the fact of a lawsuit.
Only in a civilized society in which the sport of hang gliding and the lives of its participants are valued.What process? You think that there has to be some process?I am totally frustrated by this entire process.
Define the rest of "US", Davis. I would be so happy to lie back and down a cold one while any one of your ilk bled to death on the runway.If volunteers are willing to give of their personal time to help the rest of us out we should be extremely grateful. EXTREMELY.
I agree. When total pieces of shit such as yourself can get away with making statements like these there's not enough left of the sport to be worth worrying about.I doubt it.This very well may hurt hanggliding in a big way.
Just a cynical pretense of one.There is no process.It "seems" that the process has much to be desired.
I'll drink to that. Gotta beat the crap out of the dregs who flock to this sport.Rely on the kindness of strangers.Maybe I shouldn't say that ... just what is the process?
All the rest of its structure is dedicated to crushing all efforts at reform.Yes.Anyone know?Not really. It gives a small bit of structure to help out volunteers.Does USHGA handle this?
So fuck you and anyone a DNA test could identify as a halfway close relation.Yah, got that. So, what?Perhaps I should just say that I am frustrated at all of this.
You ADMIT that? Seems to be a primary source of pride.I admit I have very little sympathy for your position and your feeling that somehow somebody is owed something by somebody who is still alive.
He was pretty good at doing the opposite when he was alive.Arlan is dead and he can't make anyone whole.