Re: bridles
Posted: 2015/03/06 20:55:43 UTC
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=5874
Aerotowing line attachment
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26134
Whipstall almost tumble
http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3391
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State-of-the-art equipment, six o' one...
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Right.
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...a pro toad has.
- And, of course, the ONLY way you're gonna be able to get in trouble is if YOU screw up. Mother Nature won't lay a finger on you as long as you're inside the Cone of Safety and she knows it.
can't be made a bit shorter? Besides the fact that it has a huge track record I mean?
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And, of course, there's NOTHING you can do about bridAl design...
http://ozreport.com/9.098
The thin 1500 pound aerotow bridle
So here:
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=14230
pro tow set-up
http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3107
I have a tandem rating!!!
And I take it you're totally cool with idiot fucking Craig's statement about the tow force being split evenly three ways by a three point bridle?
Somebody resurrect this thread and gut these idiot Jack Show motherfuckers.
Aerotowing line attachment
Really?Craig Hassan - 2008/03/10 17:53:19 UTC
I scooter tow alot, towing straight from the shoulders using 2 barrel releases.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26134
Whipstall almost tumble
Sounds pretty dangerous to me.Mike Bomstad - 2011/12/28 00:14:17 UTC
Surface tows require you to be attached at the waist area. NEVER @ the shoulder.
I always want you to REACH for your BACKUP release too, Craig. Sooner or later...So moving to aerotow I always wanted to reach for the barrel release (my back up while aerotowing) first.
Yeah...It made sense to me to use 1 kind of release. Don't have to remember what release I am using, and hitting the release is quick and simple with lots of use!
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No problem.Paul Tjaden - 2008/07/22 04:32:22 UTC
I have never had a lockout situation happen so quickly and dramatically and had no chance to release as I have always thought I could do.
i8godzilla - 2008/03/10 18:26:45 UTC
Do you scooter tow from an AT cart? When scooter towing from a foot launch start, I tow from my hips.
For a two stage application. Or, what the hell, route it OVER the bar...Craig Hassan - 2008/03/10 21:33:36 UTC
Yes we tow from a cart, routing the line under the control bar. One stage release.
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State-of-the-art equipment, six o' one...
Thank you God.Jim Rooney - 2008/03/10 22:02:35 UTC
3 point towing is a mixed bag.
Bullshit. If the anchor point is at the hang point it makes no difference. If it's forward of the hang point you'll get a theoretical boost for yaw which is gonna get blown out of the water by the wrong way roll reaction you're gonna get.On one hand it makes it a tad harder to get yourself into a lockout scenario since the nose of the glider is constantly being pulled towards the tug.
Yeah...The other hand is that you have less authority over the glider and it is harder to correct a bad situation should you get into one.
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Right.
Where would us muppets be without that keen intellect of yours.In general, 3 point towing is better for slower gliders and also for pilots that are newer to aerotowing.
- Tell us about the freedom of pitch control range...2 point towing (pro-towing/shoulder-towing) gives you more authority, but with that freedom comes more freedom to screw up.
06-03114
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...a pro toad has.
- And, of course, the ONLY way you're gonna be able to get in trouble is if YOU screw up. Mother Nature won't lay a finger on you as long as you're inside the Cone of Safety and she knows it.
Ya know how many failure scenarios I have going up with the most complex AT system to ever hit the skies? ZERO - motherfucker. It's called ENGINEERING.Pro-towing involves far less equipment and thus less failure scenarios due to equipment.
Oh. So LONG bridAls are more likely to wrap than SHORT bridAls. So is there some reason this Quallaby guy's secondary bridAl:The most common is the long primary bridal wraps itself around the tow biner upon release...
can't be made a bit shorter? Besides the fact that it has a huge track record I mean?
Yeah......in which case you release the shoulder releases as you would with pro-towing and everything goes away.
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No problem.Paul Tjaden - 2008/07/22 04:32:22 UTC
I have never had a lockout situation happen so quickly and dramatically and had no chance to release as I have always thought I could do.
And, of course, there's NOTHING you can do about bridAl design...
http://ozreport.com/9.098
The thin 1500 pound aerotow bridle
And why fix a problem that you don't really have anyway?Davis Straub - 2005/05/03
Bob Lane said that Quest Air sold over forty of their bridles (and Bob sold fifteen or twenty) during the Nationals. The Quest Air bridles use thicker Spectra and are designed not to whip around and accidentally tie themselves to the carabineer. Bob says his bridles will not do this either.
Really? What's the average for crappier pilots? Everybody else I mean?My average for this tie on is about 1 in 500 tows.
So here:
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=14230
pro tow set-up
twenty months / two seasons later, the average for this malfunction seems to have been cut in half. Anything you're doing/using differently you'd care to tell us about? Or are you just pulling numbers out of your ass - as usual?Jim Rooney - 2009/11/02 18:58:13 UTC
Oh it happens.
I have, all the guys I work with have.
(Our average is 1 in 1,000 tows)
Oh yeah... Let's hear an other fun fact.Jim Rooney - 2009/11/02 18:58:13 UTC
Oh yeah... an other fun fact for ya...
No. I had rather mediocre AT instruction. All the AT operations I went to were total shit. Do tell.ya know when it's far more likely to happen?
No shit! Well I never.During a lockout.
Oh. So when a failure DOESN'T matter the odds of it's occurence are microscopic. But when it DOES the odds increase five hundred fold. But fear not. All I've gotta do is then make another easy reach to my BACKUP release...When we're doing lockout training, the odds go from 1 in 1,000 to over 50/50.
http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3107
I have a tandem rating!!!
...and everything will be fine.Lauren Tjaden - 2008/03/23 22:20:15 UTC
When Jim got me locked out to the right, I couldn't keep the pitch of the glider with one hand for more than a second (the pressure was a zillion pounds, more or less), but the F'ing release slid around when I tried to hit it. The barrel release wouldn't work because we had too much pressure on it.
Anyhow, the tandem can indeed perform big wingovers, as I demonstrated when I finally got separated from the tug.
Wow. Then you must know everything about everything! So tell me... How come you omitted the bit about the fifty percent failure rate in lockout drills from this discussion? In we-know-what-we're-doing rather than courageous-laugh-in-the-face-of-death mode?In the US summer I'm a full time aerotow tandem instructor.
And I take it you're totally cool with idiot fucking Craig's statement about the tow force being split evenly three ways by a three point bridle?
Somebody resurrect this thread and gut these idiot Jack Show motherfuckers.