http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=60132
Best Plan to Save Sport of Hang Gliding
Un Tuckable - 2019/07/27 17:15:28 UTC
If all the HGs carried some kind of atmospheric research data collector, then soaring could help fight climate change. Huge numbers of people would start hang gliding just to join the flight, er fight.
Yeah. Right.
Swift - 2019/07/27 22:12:23 UTC
Re: Co2
Please take your own advice on what you think is off topic. The question of how many believe the climate hoax of anthropogenic caused climate disaster is relevant to my discussion on saving the sport of hang gliding. If it is true then any effort to further the sport is a moot point. Why would anyone care to look long range at hang gliding if we are going to die because of the addition of .0024% CO2 to the atmosphere.
How many are mad at me for pointing out that even if the AWG theory, in most of its iterations, is never going to be mitigated by any expensive and deadly proposals that I have seen.
So no matter all the angst and teeth gnashing, nature is going to take its course just as it has done for billions of years. You can't reduce our .0024% by half without great suffering.
And even if you did, its not going to make any appreciable difference in climate. Your good intentions are naive and dangerous.
There is no consensus on AGW. That is one big lie that you naively believe. Its not your fault that you've had such a trauma based infliction imposed on your belief system.
You are victim to cult mind control since an early age. You got it from day one in your public education.
Our huge oil reserves are not the result of all the dinosaurs dying together in a ginormous pile and decaying into a pool of oil. Fossil fuel is a fraud but we want to believe what 'scientist' tell us. Its easier than thinking for ourselves and what the heck, they have a lab jacket and a clip board, right? We've never been lied to before, right? <s
Again, if your AGW supposition is correct why would anyone contribute effort to the expensive leisure of hang gliding other than to just go out and get all they could for themselves before the world ends? That is why the question of AGW is important to this discussion, but maybe that part, AGW, should be split off into another thread.
I've already been threatened to be banned from the kitestrings.org for my discord on this topic and I'm not even a member there.
Angry people wedded to the AGW theory seem like a religious cult to me and not in the good way.
The world is getting crazier and crazier and there are many reasons why it is not your own doing if you happen to be among that crowd.
You have been indoctrinated in many beliefs. The AGW belief system is trauma based. Its a cruel thing to do to a child. The anxiety of such cult driven indoctrination subtracts from your real potential. We are getting dumber and dumber and more dangerous. Antifa surely believes AGW and anyone opposed is a Nazi that deserves their terroristic actions, for instance.
The evidence of how deeply many feel about their convictions to force drastic measures, 'to save the world', on everybody else is frightening to me.
This is the trauma based anxiety that I suffer. A huge divide that may keep us from moving forward on anything positive in any respect.
What is the answer to this?
If your perspective persists, its probably not worth much of my effort to invest further in the future of hang gliding.
Are you really sure that such a small contribution to atmospheric CO2 by human industry and recreation is a matter of life and death to the planet?
How much sleep do you lose thinking about your warm and comfortable house and how your next hang gliding trip or that trip to the store for cigarettes and ice cream is contributing to the destruction of the planet?
When are you going to stop doing those things or is it just everybody else that needs to stop?
Please take your own advice on what you think is off topic.
With ya there.
The question of how many believe the climate hoax of anthropogenic caused climate disaster is relevant to my discussion on saving the sport of hang gliding.
Well, it's a hoax. And one would hafta be a total moron to believe in any hoaxes.
If it is true then any effort to further the sport is a moot point.
It can't be true. We've already defined it as a hoax. (Pretty good one too. Notice the way they're melting all the icecaps and glaciers, raising sea levels, orchestrating off-the-scale heat waves to get all but the most brilliant of us to fall for it?)
Why would anyone care to look long range at hang gliding if we are going to die because of the addition of .0024% CO2 to the atmosphere.
- I don't. The sport deserves the medium speed death it's inflicted upon itself. But watching and dealing with the dynamics is a good model/exercise with respect to anything else ya wanna name.
- Please quote ANYONE ELSE citing your ".0024%" figure. (Notice Bob not touching it with a ten foot pole.)
How many are mad at me for pointing out that even if the AWG theory, in most of its iterations, is never going to be mitigated by any expensive and deadly proposals that I have seen.
- That's not really a sentence. Even if the AWG theory, in most of its iterations, is WHAT?
-The Doolittle Raid on Tokyo was expensive for and deadly to the US and its participants. But it was massively effective.
- And it's always way less expensive and deadly to do nothing as a problem develops.
- That you've seen? Well then, let's get back on track with continuing to do nothing.
- I thought it was a hoax. So just how expensive and deadly could it to possibly be to mitigate?
So no matter all the angst and teeth gnashing, nature is going to take its course just as it has done for billions of years.
How many billions of years worth of experience has nature racked up dealing with coal fired power plants, SUVs, chain saws, plastic, a global human population of 7.7 billion?
You can't reduce our .0024% by half without great suffering.
And there's absolutely no great suffering anywhere now so if it ain't broke...
And even if you did, its not going to make any appreciable difference in climate.
I'll take anything I can get at this point.
Your good intentions are naive and dangerous.
Aren't they all. I sure know...
http://www.chgpa.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2467
weak links
Jim Rooney - 2007/07/20 21:11:32 UTC
You still fail to answer the base question... Exactly how does towing with a _stronger_ weaklink serve to make things safer?
I'll give you a hint... it DOESN'T... it makes things less safe.
...mine were.
There is no consensus on AGW.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=30971
Zach Marzec
Davis Straub - 2013/02/13 15:45:22 UTC
IMHO aerotowing is relatively safe compared with foot launching. I would certainly like to make it safer. What we would all like to know is what could we do to make it safer.
We have no agreement that a stronger weaklink would make it safer (again, I fly with a slightly stronger weaklink).
That is one big lie that you naively believe. Its not your fault that you've had such a trauma based infliction imposed on your belief system.
You are victim to cult mind control since an early age. You got it from day one in your public education.
- I was a victim of cult mind control at early ages from day one in both my public education and hang gliding training. The problem is that in public education they teach you math and science that checks out. And that stuff gives you the tools to start debunking the crap.
- How 'bout church? How come we never hear anything from you about any flavor of Christianity victimizing anyone at early ages with anything in the department of cult mind control?
Our huge oil reserves are not the result of all the dinosaurs dying together in a ginormous pile and decaying into a pool of oil.
Who the fuck says they are?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum
Petroleum - Wikipedia
A fossil fuel, petroleum is formed when large quantities of dead organisms, mostly zooplankton and algae, are buried underneath sedimentary rock and subjected to both intense heat and pressure.
Fossil fuel is a fraud...
Let's do the other major fossil fuel fraud while we're at it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal
Coal - Wikipedia
Coal is formed if dead plant matter decays into peat and over millions of years the heat and pressure of deep burial converts the peat into coal.[2] Vast deposits of coal originates in former wetlands—called coal forests—that covered much of the Earth's tropical land areas during the late Carboniferous (Pennsylvanian) and Permian times.
...but we want to believe what 'scientist' tell us.
- Which 'scientist' singular?
- No, I wanna believe all the total fucking douchebags who tell us that everything's going along just fine, always has been, always will be. But I have problems inserting my head that far up my ass.
Its easier than thinking for ourselves and what the heck, they have a lab jacket and a clip board, right?
- Data and arithmetic that make actual sense, predictions coming horrifyingly accurate a fair bit ahead of schedule.
- Are there any scientists in any fields anywhere whom you trust on anything? And whom is it we're SUPPOSED to be going to for data, explanations, analyses, interpretations, theory? Anybody we feel like just as long as he or she has maxed out at no more than a couple semesters of community college?
We've never been lied to before, right? <s
Just all that crap about the Earth orbiting around the Sun, evolution, the universe being about 13.8 billion years old, black holes...
Again, if your AGW supposition is correct why would anyone contribute effort to the expensive leisure of hang gliding other than to just go out and get all they could for themselves before the world ends?
That's probably about where we are. But even today we have electric vehicles getting charged up by wind and/or solar (not to mention nuclear) power capable of getting out and up to launches, gliders are getting pulled by electric winches. In '82 I could ride my bicycle to the shop, throw my Comet on my shoulder, bag an hour of airtime on the dune. (Granted though, the business for whom I was working at the time was fueled by people driving beaucoup miles to get there.)
That is why the question of AGW is important to this discussion, but maybe that part, AGW, should be split off into another thread.
- Why bother? It's not a real thing anyway.
- No. We need to be discussing it nonstop everywhere.
I've already been threatened to be banned from the kitestrings.org for my discord on this topic and I'm not even a member there.
You were when you posted this - and a Member with Moderator status and privileges. And if you were reading this discussion then how come you were totally ignoring my points, asking:
Swift - 2019/07/23 23:04:43 UTC
.06% of .04% is .0024% of the CO2 in the atmosphere. Is this correct?
totally ignoring me when I was telling you that no way in hell was that the tiniest bit correct and that our contribution so far has actually been 32 percent, carrying on to present with this staggering level of cluelessness. That's what was and is really pissing me off.
Angry people wedded to the AGW theory seem like a religious cult to me and not in the good way.
I'm also an angry person wedded to aeronautical theory - as in this:
Manned Kiting
The Basic Handbook of Tow Launched Hang Gliding
Daniel F. Poynter
1974
"The greatest dangers are a rope break or a premature release." - Richard Johnson
which was totally legitimate 45 years ago even when everybody was hooking up glider-only while:
http://www.questairforce.com/aero.html
Aerotow FAQ
Quest Air Hang Gliding
Weak Link
The strength of the weak link is crucial to a safe tow. It should be weak enough so that it will break before the pressure of the towline reaches a level that compromises the handling of the glider but strong enough so that it doesn't break every time you fly into a bit of rough air. A good rule of thumb for the optimum strength is one G, or in other words, equal to the total wing load of the glider. Most flight parks use 130 lb. braided Dacron line, so that one loop (which is the equivalent to two strands) is about 260 lb. strong - about the average wing load of a single pilot on a typical glider. For tandems, either two loops (four strands) of the same line or one loop of a stronger line is usually used to compensate for nearly twice the wing loading. When attaching the weak link to the bridle, position the knot so that it's hidden from the main tension in the link and excluded altogether from the equation.
IMPORTANT - It should never be assumed that the weak link will break in a lockout.
ALWAYS RELEASE THE TOWLINE before there is a problem.
is staggering cluelessness based rot Donnell Hewett spewed 'cause he found doing that way less demanding than engineering a safe release system.
The world is getting crazier and crazier...
And stupider and stupider.
...and there are many reasons why it is not your own doing if you happen to be among that crowd.
You have been indoctrinated in many beliefs. The AGW belief system is trauma based.
You mean like the Holocaust belief system?
Its a cruel thing to do to a child. The anxiety of such cult driven indoctrination subtracts from your real potential.
Of drilling the Arctic Ocean now that all that nasty ice is history.
We are getting dumber and dumber and more dangerous. Antifa surely believes AGW and anyone opposed is a Nazi that deserves their terroristic actions, for instance.
The evidence of how deeply many feel about their convictions to force drastic measures, 'to save the world', on everybody else is frightening to me.
This is the trauma based anxiety that I suffer. A huge divide that may keep us from moving forward on anything positive in any respect.
Anything positive like what? Would preserving biodiversity and critical ecosystems be options?
What is the answer to this?
If your perspective persists, its probably not worth much of my effort to invest further in the future of hang gliding.
Hang gliding has no future. The douchebags who gained control of it the first couple weeks of its inception will continue driving it into the ground until there's nothing left. We're seeing and recognizing that now - so how come we're not recognizing the steady sea level increases?
Are you really sure that such a small contribution to atmospheric CO2 by human industry and recreation is a matter of life and death to the planet?
The 0.0024 percent we're all agreed on? No fuckin' way. That's totally ridiculous.
How much sleep do you lose thinking about your warm and comfortable house and how your next hang gliding trip or that trip to the store for cigarettes and ice cream is contributing to the destruction of the planet?
I'm not sleeping anymore. And all that chain smoking I'm doing doesn't seem to be doing the slightest detectable benefit for my health.
When are you going to stop doing those things or is it just everybody else that needs to stop?
Let's everybody rev up and race to the bottom.
I unbanned you 2019/07/28 13:38:38 UTC - a half dozen minutes after my previous post - and you still have Moderator access and privileges.
The ban had served its purpose. The point was made, people were drawn out of the woodwork, Bob performed again fully in accord with our expectations.
So Bob... What's your Moderator count currently up to back there in your near nine year old grass roots organization experiment at this point?
Oh yes saving the great sport of hang gliding! Sorry for the "...cussing..." I just honestly can't believe you guys want to spend the time to write all that cra... uh stuff!