The Bob Show

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1787
USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/03/23 19:27:42 UTC

That's why I've been working to build up our Trial Board of Directors so we can do better than Jack or Davis or Tad - who have all banned more people from their forums than we have.

That's your measure of how well you're doing? The number of people you haven't banned? Pretty much anybody who flies or is interested in flying hang gliders is automatically great material? Of all the people in hang gliding the only one you know who's twisted, destructive, dangerous, evil enough to merit banning is Tad? You'd be totally OK with having any and all of these motherfuckers:

Presentation by Tim Herr. Discussion of Bob Kuczewski as member of USHPA. Note: Mr. Herr was not present during BOD discussion.

Motion by Amunategui to apply USHPA Bylaws Article 5, Section 4, paragraph (a), sections (i) through (iv), to terminate USHPA membership of Bob Kuczewski. Second by Belcourt.

BOD vote by roll call: Motion carries with 19 ayes, 1 abstention. See roll call vote record Attachment B
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Attachment B—Board of Directors Roll Call Voting Record
Region Director Motion:
To terminate USHPA
membership of Bob Kuczewski
Motion:
01 - Mark G. Forbes - Aye
01 - Rich Hass - President's vote not required
01 - (L) Paul Murdoch - Aye
02 - Jugdeep Aggarwal - Aye
02 - Josh Cohn - Aye
02 - Jon James - Aye
02 - (L) Steve Rodrigues - Aye
03 - Corey Caffrey - absent
03 - Alan Crouse - Abstain
03 - Pete Michelmore - Aye
04 - Bill Belcourt - Aye
04 - Ken Grubbs - Aye
05 - Josh Pierce - Aye
06 - David Glover - Aye
07 - Paul Olson - Aye
08 - Michael Holmes - Aye
09 - Felipe Amunátegui - Aye
09 - Larry Dennis - Aye
09 - (X) Art Greenfield - absent
09 - (L) Dennis Pagen - absent
10 - Steve Kroop - Aye
10 - (L) Jamie Shelden - absent
10 - Matt Taber - absent
10 - Bruce Weaver - Aye
11 - David Glover - See Region 06
12 - Paul Voight - Aye
12 - (L) Ryan Voight - Aye

in your "national association" as long as he's flown or expressed interest in flying a hang glider? I wouldn't have a single one of them on Kite Strings - EVER - particularly the ones I know personally. I wouldn't speak to a single one of them other than to tell him to go fuck himself.

I want a sport with LOTS of bannings - just like I want a highway with a lot of assholes off of it and behind bars. But I want the bannings to be for the right reasons and the reasons I've banned people from Kite Strings are pretty much the opposite of what people get banned for on the Jack, Davis, and Bob Shows. I don't want anybody over here who thinks that Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney deserves anything less than a lifetime ban and complete ostracism from anything having to do with hang gliding.

[Tad Eareckson]

Here are michael170's last two Jack Show posts:

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=25963
Woman killed in B.C. hang gliding fall.

michael170 - 2015/03/16 05:14:28 UTC

Ian Duffy - 2014/10/04 22:32:10 UTC

Simply do a hang check and don't get in your harness until it is connected to your gilder.

I'll write that down so as I don't forget.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=28290
Report about fatal accident at Quest Air Hang Gliding

michael170 - 2015/03/17 06:37:03 UTC

Paul Tjaden - 2013/02/07 23:56:42 UTC

A standard 130 pound test weak link was being used.When the lift/turbulence was encountered, the weak link on the tow line broke as the nose of the glider pitched up quickly to a very high angle of attack.
Apparently, the glider stalled or possibly did a short tail slide and then stalled and then nosed down and tumbled.

He will be sorely missed.

And Jack bans him because that was "enough already". And these posts aren't presented out of any kind of context - just what you see, no more no less.

Tommy Thompson writes:

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32637
Bad news for for the premier site in Hawaii

Tommy Thompson - 2015/03/21 00:14:49 UTC

I wished Obama would move to Africa.
They can use some hope and change over there for awhile. And maybe Michelle can find a tree to swing from if she can't get a part in the next planet of the Apes movie

Jack starts a poll to pretend that he's gonna make a ban / no ban decision based on the results. The results are currently:

Ban soar8hours?
- 41 - strong yes
- 14 - yea
- 20 - no
- 15 - strong no

Tommy's still a Jack Show Member In Good Standing. Fuck you, Jack and Jack Show Assholes.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=28290
Report about fatal accident at Quest Air Hang Gliding

Brad Barkley - 2015/03/17 14:19:41 UTC

Michael170, how do you know Tad? Were you a Boyscout?

Fuck you in particular, Brad. Also fuck the asshole who signed tickets for Brad Fiction-Writer Barkley and Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32651
soar8hours ban vote

Comet - 2015/03/23 23:51:42 UTC

Awesome debate - racism vs censorship!

Ha ha, it has been said that soar8hours (Tommy Thompson) has more hang check time that most of us have total airtime!

- It was in the magazine somewhere a million years ago.
- And likely zero hook-in check time.

Do we deny ourselves the benefit of his decades of experience and wisdom?

I dunno? What benefit have "we" gotten from his decades of experience and wisdom so far? What benefit have we gotten from ANYONE's decades of experience and wisdom? How much better is a thirty year veteran of tic-tac-toe than a first timer. Quote me something. I'm still waiting to hear something derived from anyone's decades of experience and wisdom that can't be taught by a non flyer and thoroughly understood by a smart grade school kid.

From the several decades of experience and quite literally hundreds of thousands of tows conducted by numerous aerotow operators across the county and their collective wisdom we got a single loop of Cortland 130 pound Greenspot braided Dacron tolling line placed at one end of a shoulder bridle as the ideal one-size-fits-all standard aerotow weak link - coincidentally the exact same fishing line first used as the ideal one-size-fits-all standard aerotow weak link - for reasons too complex to be explained to a single one of us weekend warrior muppets. Then two years ago all the numerous aerotow operators across the county with several decades of experience and quite literally hundreds of thousands of tows abruptly decided they were happy with 200 pound fishing line - also for reasons too complex to be explained to a single one of us weekend warrior muppets.

So what's this living treasure got to offer us by virtue of his decades of experience and wisdom? Irrefutable evidence that Obama's birth certificate was forged?

I can envision an extreme future where the org is composed of nothing but politically correct Hang Ones.

And that would make it worse than the intellectually castrated shit heap you have now how?

So freedom fighter Tommy... Where were you when michael170 was being banned for "enough already"? And I take it you're perfectly OK with:

http://www.hanggliding.org/wiki/HG_ORG_Mission_Statement
HG ORG Mission Statement - Hang Gliding Wiki

HangGliding.Org Rules and Policies

No posts or links about Bob K, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material. ALL SUCH POSTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED. These people are poison to this sport and are permanently banned from this site in every possible way imaginable.

'cause I haven't ever heard you make the slightest stink about that.

If I weren't poison to this sport and permanently banned from that shit heap in every possible way imaginable I'd vote against your banning with a "strong no" - if for no other reason than it's a shit heap dictatorship and the "rules" are nothing but farcical pretenses.

Would I ban you from here? Maybe not. But I sure wouldn’t be expecting you to be a tremendous asset. I find people who have more than three or four minutes career hang check time to be total morons.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32651
soar8hours ban vote

Erik Boehm - 2015/03/25 16:32:55 UTC

WTF is with these political rants...
This is a private (and international) forum, free speech and the US constitution are not relevant here.
The issue is not that you dislike taxes, or welfare/government handouts, etc.
The issue was the overt racism... which you have just ignored and presented strawmen distractions.

Jack Axaopoulos - 2015/03/25 20:44:42 UTC

Nailed it. Then no apologies. Account clearly not hacked.
Yep.... soar has a freedom of speech, but take it somewhere else.

*BANNED*

2015/03/26 02:37:38 UTC - 3 thumbs up - Scott MacLeod

I'd consider letting you on over here - mostly 'cause I despise Jack and his pet shits and double standards. Also after reading your subsequent partially wacko posts things seem a lot grayer.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1787
USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Bob Kuczewski - 2015/03/25 16:59:47 UTC

For the record, here's my latest reply to Martin Palmaz:

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015
From: Bob Kuczewski <bob@ushawks.org>
To: Martin Palmaz <Martin@ushpa.aero>
Cc: Rich Hass <richhass@me.com>
Subject: RE: Hearing Notification - Robert Kuczewski

Mr. Palmaz and Mr. Hass (bcc others),

There are two elements to a trial:

- Laws or Rules that are purported to have been violated.
- Specific actions that violate the cited Laws or Rules.

So far, you have only produced a list of what you claim are my actions. I dispute some of them, and those disputes will be part of what I will present. But you haven't cited any specific rules that have been violated by anything I've even been accused of doing.

In a normal due process proceeding (which I'm recently familiar with), the "prosecution" must list very precisely which sections of the code have been broken. You can't simply tell me to read the 222 page USHPA SOP's and Bylaws and tell me to find my own violations. That's the job of the prosecution, and that's the first step in justice. If you cannot cite a very specific section of the USHPA Bylaws or SOP's that I've violated, then I suggest that your Board of Directors may have been acting more out of emotion than out of logic when initiating this action. If that's the case, then I ask for a summary dismissal of this proceeding right now.

Sincerely,
Bob Kuczewski

http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=884
The Bob Show

Tad Eareckson - 2011/12/13 03:41:16 UTC

If you can't quote me I didn't say it.

Bob Kuczewski - 2011/12/13 05:55:39 UTC

I'm not going to spend the time right now, but I will ask you to read everything you've written and post your own quote that comes closest to supporting my statement. Then we can examine it to see if you're being honest. Thanks in advance.

Peas in a fuckin' pod.

[Tad Eareckson]

10 - Steve Kroop - Aye

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/25 04:55:25 UTC

Ditto dude.

It always amazes to hear know it all pilots arguing with the professional pilots.
I mean seriously, this is our job.
We do more tows in a day than they do in a month (year for most).

We *might* have an idea of how this stuff works.
They *might* do well to listen.
Not that they will, mind you... cuz they *know*.

I mean seriously... ridgerodent's going to inform me as to what Kroop has to say on this? Seriously? Steve's a good friend of mine. I've worked at Quest with him. We've had this discussion ... IN PERSON. And many other ones that get misunderstood by the general public. It's laughable.

Don't even get me started on Tad. That obnoxious blow hard has gotten himself banned from every flying site that he used to visit... he doesn't fly anymore... because he has no where to fly. His theories were annoying at best and downright dangerous most of the time. Good riddance.

So, argue all you like.
I don't care.
I've been through all these arguments a million times... this is my job.
I could be more political about it, but screw it... I'm not in the mood to put up with tender sensibilities... Some weekend warrior isn't about to inform me about jack sh*t when it comes to towing. I've got thousands upon thousands of tows under my belt. I don't know everything, but I'll wager the house that I've got it sussed a bit better than an armchair warrior.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32637
Bad news for for the premier site in Hawaii

Jack Axaopoulos - 2015/03/23 12:54:19 UTC

I absolutely hate Obama for numerous civil liberty violations and the 70% increase in my healthcare costs, but racist s***? Really?
Get that CRAP out of here. Its 2015, not 1930.
FINAL WARNING

Yeah Tommy, The problem is that it's 2015, not 1930. In 1930 that would've been perfectly OK. 1960... still not much of a problem. 2015... Sorry, no fuckin' way. This isn't about fundamental decency and values - it's all about what is and isn't socially acceptable at any given moment.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32651
soar8hours ban vote

Jack Axaopoulos - 2015/03/23 20:01:32 UTC

I put the vote up as input into my decision making. It does not stand alone.
I feel too out of touch to make a decision completely on my own and wanted to see what the community thought before I moved forward.
There has been no offer of apology as far as I know.

Like I just said.

Jack's fuckin' living room but if you've got enough support from the good ol' boys Jack wants to keep happy no big fuckin' deal.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32651
soar8hours ban vote

Jack Axaopoulos - 2015/03/25 20:44:42 UTC

Nailed it. Then no apologies. Account clearly not hacked.
Yep.... soar has a freedom of speech, but take it somewhere else.

OK, we now have a nice safe 62.5 percent majority... Time for the unequivocal moral outrage.

*BANNED*

Now let's see how everybody feels about using a powered paragliders to chase down and kick Barn Owls.

2-15206
http://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2918/13924437348_c655feff59_o.png


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[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41619
Goodbye Bob K?

Steve Davy - 2015/03/26 05:46:39 UTC

I find it interesting that Mgforbes has gone silent now that Bob has been allowed to publicly defend himself.

I find it monotonously predictable. And, of course, that's the EXACT same tactic Bob uses on all the zillions of occasions when...

Bob Kuczewski - 2014/12/28 06:21:51 UTC

Silence is not consent. It's just silence.

...he's painted himself into one or more corners.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41494
USHPA BOD Meeting Now in Golden Colorado- March 12-13-14

Swift - 2015/03/12 18:43:52 UTC

Mark Forbes, posts this elsewhere:

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32595
Golden opportunity

Mark G. Forbes - 2015/03/12 04:12:02 UTC

I arrived in Golden, Colorado this afternoon and just had dinner with the rest of the executive committee and our attorney. We start the BOD meeting tomorrow morning at 10am with Finance and Insurance. We'll be in meetings through Saturday, and I'm headed back to Corvallis on Sunday, hoping maybe to fly somewhere along the way if the weather cooperates.

If you're in the neighborhood, you're welcome to drop by and meet the directors, sit in on the meetings that interest you and otherwise generally see how we keep the train running on time. MGF

Swift - 2015/03/12 18:48:29 UTC

Not welcome if you are Bob K.

Michael Grisham - 2015/03/12 18:55:59 UTC

http://ozreport.com/19.052
How Hawks Hunt

Davis Straub - 2015/03/12 12:41:37 UTC

Direct and then sideways

Brian McMahon - 2015/03/12 19:53:26 UTC

In Mark's defense, there aren't all that many flying related groups where Bob K is welcome these days. Maybe the Aussies and Europeans would welcome him.

Nah.

Andrew Vanis - 2015/03/13 04:47:01 UTC

If you are referring to Mark Forbes, the quote above is not his from anything I read on this topic.

Try googling.

That quote seems to be a fabrication of Swift.

You're on The Davis Show and you're worried about fabrications?

Swift - 2015/03/13 18:48:17 UTC

Sorry Andrew, the quoted material does come from Mark Forbes.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32595
Golden opportunity

Mark didn't post this late notice and invitation on the OZ Report.

The sub-title, "Not welcome if you are Bob K." was editorial commentary that I believe is accurate.

That everyone and his dog KNOWS is accurate.

Andrew Vanis - 2015/03/14 03:21:39 UTC

Hmm, I don't see anything regarding BobK in there so not sure how you got your conclusion.

Try pulling your head out of your ass and rebooting.

Swift - 2015/03/14 19:57:11 UTC

The conclusion that Bob K. is not welcome in matters of the USHPA is well known to a lot of people that have been paying attention.

Read: ...don't have their heads up their asses.

Much friction surrounds a liability lawsuit in California against the Torrey Pines paragliding corporation.

Criminal thugs.

Mark Forbes, Rich Hass, and USHPA lawyer, Tim Herr, have let it be known that they believe Bob is out to ruin USHPA, by possibly testifying in that court case.

They seemingly have allied forces with the Torrey Pines paragliding corporation, which is a very lucrative sweetheart deal between the City of San Diego and ex-narcotic cop David Jebb. Torrey Pines, is also lucrative to the USHPA corporation.

This guy, Robin Marien, runs Torrey Pines with the Jebbs, David and Gabe.

http://ozreport.com/forum/files/robin_marien_600.jpg


Marien has sworn out ex-parte orders against Bob K. because he says Bob is stalking him and Marien, fears for his life.

This happened subsequent to this incident, where Bob got arrested for taking pictures at the public park.

http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

The judge didn't buy it and threw out the charge.

Bob has videos of incidents where he has been arrested on orders of the paragliding corporation for trespassing in the city owned park.

USHPA lawyer, Tim Herr, has attended several court actions against Bob K., apparently...

...fuckin' obviously...

...taking the side of the Torrey Pines corporation.

That's what corporate lawyers do, I guess.

Mark Forbes, "has looney tunes" playing in his head, where he puts all the blame on Bob K. for "managing" to get himself arrested...

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41335
What Rich said

...and Rich Hass, has called it a "stunt" for Bob to get himself arrested for taking pictures in a city park.

Mark Forbes and Rich Hass have both made erroneous comments about why Tim Herr, was or wasn't present in the court proceedings against Bob Kuczewski. Now that they have had three or four days personal contact with the USHPA lawyer, maybe they can clear up their previous statements.

Not really necessary.

In light of all of this, I don't believe Bob K. would be welcome at any meals or meetings of Mark Forbes, Rich Hass, or Tim Herr.

Pretty good bet T** at K*** S****** wouldn't be either.

I stand to be corrected if any of the above would be so kind to comment.

I think you're on pretty safe granite.

Steve Forslund - 2015/03/15 0:37:44 UTC

They are at the bod meeting doing USHPA business. I doubt reading this stuff and responding to your posts are on the agenda.

Suck my dick, Steve.

Speck_out_hi - 2015/03/17 23:28:17 UTC

The USHPA Board Meeting ended Saturday and today is Tuesday. I'd think they would have had time to respond here.

In addition to staying glued to all the topics and pretending not to be.

Then again they may be hung over from all their "committee meetings". yuk yuk

Swift - 2015/03/21 01:22:16 UTC

http://ozreport.com/19.058
Goodbye Bob K?

Davis Straub - 2015/03/21 01:27:29 UTC

USHPA to initiate action

The Board voted to initiate the procedure for expulsion of Robert Kuczewski under Article V, Section 4 (a)(iv) of the Bylaws:
Expulsion of the member based on the good faith determination by the Board of Directors or a committee designated to make such determination that the member has failed in a material and serious degree to observe the rules of conduct governing this corporation as promulgated by the Board from time to time or has engaged in conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purposes and interests of the corporation.

Steve Corbin - 2015/03/21 02:22:05 UTC

If you poke at a rattlesnake with a stick, you lose your right to complain about being bitten.
For extra points, identify the snake:
(A) Bob
(B) The good folks at Torrey
(C) The BOD
(D) All of the above
(E) I don't wanna get involved

Anybody who participates in "self regulated" hang gliding is involved - whether he wants to be and/or thinks he is or not.

[Tad Eareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41494
USHPA BOD Meeting Now in Golden Colorado- March 12-13-14

Steve Corbin - 2015/03/21 03:27:37 UTC

There are those that dislike Bob.

1. For right and wrong reasons.
2. Wanna open it up to hate?

I'm one who likes him.

Then either you haven't been paying attention very well or you're really deficient in the principles department.

This doesn't mean that I don't recognize his tendency to be annoying to some.

Annoying? That's the worst of his sins?

It's a lot easier to kick Bob out than it is to kick the Torrey guys out, even if they were the ones breaking laws, making terroristic threats, fibbing to potential customers re: the relative safety of Pg to Hg. Etcetera.

And they've got the precedent of T** at K*** S****** on which to operate.

Most of us are too shy (chicken)...

Sleazy.

...to stand up for Truth, Democracy, and the American Way. Bob saw what he considered to be...

WAS in no uncertain terms.

...wrongdoing...

Blatant corruption and criminal conduct.

...and yelled foul. He is willing to put his reputation on the line.

Not much of a gamble as far as those of us who really know him are concerned.

Many American citizens have paid dearly for standing up for their beliefs. And now Bob stands to lose his membership...

He's already lost it. Now we're just waiting for the show trial.

...which effectively will ground him.

Like I've been for the past half dozen years - with nobody, 'specially Bob, giving a flying fuck.

So if you stand up to perceived...

I've never seen anything much LESS "perceived" than this is.

...wrongdoing, beware, because those with more political clout will jerk your ratings, make you a pariah.

Fit only for Tad's Hole In The Ground.

I want Bob to get his fair due...

Me too.

...his Day in Court.

His Days in Court haven't done him the least bit of good as far as his rights are concerned.

Some of you just write him off as a nut case...

He IS a nut case. But that's irrelevant in this matter.

...just as many were that were later recognized as heroes.

Lotsa asterisks for Bob.

Maybe I'm wrong. But I'm from Missouri, and you know what that means.

You're a close neighbor of Jim Gaar's?

Bille Floyd - 2015/03/22 00:56:13 UTC

Bob never did anything bad to me...

Well, he's a great guy then.

...(even lent me his glider at Torry once) ;

Here's a shot of you on another borrowed glider at Torrey once:

http://ozreport.com/forum/files/having_a_bad_day_178.jpg


How'd ya do this other time?

but Dang , Ya got to know when to back-off a bit ?

Right after the opposition invades Poland?

http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1629
Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Bill Cummings - 2015/03/25 19:39:31 UTC

In Vietnam and Cambodia when we were AMBUSHED our training was to, never retreat, never defend, but always attack.
If you try to retreat you will run into their preplanned finally. If you defend they have you right where they wanted you and have you. If you do not attack you can forget about hearing them cry, "chu hoi". (You win. Take me into your open arms.)

I think he could have don a better job of getting his point across ; if he hadn't bin so aggressive.

Fuckin' asshole.

Graeme Henderson - 2015/03/22 01:46:51 UTC

I simply don't know who is right and who is wrong.

Then you're an idiot and/or fuckin' douchebag.

If Bob has been done an injustice then grounding him would be a terrible thing to do.

Did you give the slightest flying fuck about my grounding?

Actually grounding any pilot for more than a few days is an anathema to me.

How many times does a few days go into six years?

If Bob is right then he has run a terrible campaign. He needs to sit down and have a serious think about his strategy.

Go fuck yourself, Graeme.

If Bob is wrong then he has still run a terrible campaign, although he has managed to push it a long way.
The KISS strategy is one that Bob has completely ignored, instead of staying focused on the original incident he has broadened, politicized, and complicated the matter to the point where he can easily be portrayed as being a conspiracy theorist or just a nutter. I suspect there has been an injustice done to Bob, I haven't a clue...

You can put a period right there.

...as to whether laws were broken though.
I am surprised that the matter of the US Hawks is being treated with such seriousness, I always thought that was just a joke site.
I am alarmed that Bob is not allowed representation though, he certainly, and justice as well, would benefit.
I hope the matter can be resolved, if grounding Bob is the outcome, then it would be hoped that his case has been well presented and well reviewed, and this whole case to date indicates that that will not be the case if Bob is forced to represent himself.
I also have great sympathy for everyone at the USHPA, I just hope that they wield their power with wisdom, compassion, and an unerring eye on the scales of justice.

May justice prevail,
Graeme

Dickhead.

Speck_out_hi - 2015/03/22 23:33:51 UTC

The US hang gliding "support" organization is no more. It's now the "kill off hang gliding slowly" association, or so I've read on another "joke" site. I tend to agree. PGs are easier to market and sell and lie about connected with safety issues - "Aren't parachutes SAFETY EQUIPMENT after all?".

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24534
It's a wrap

Davis Straub - 2011/07/30 19:51:54 UTC

I'm very happy with the way Quest Air (Bobby Bailey designed) does it now.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846
Is this a joke ?

Jim Rooney - 2011/09/02 23:09:12 UTC

Yeah, damn those pesky safety devices!
Remember kids, always blame the equipment.

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26 17:34:33 UTC

Remember, a weak link improves safety.
Say it over and over and over in your head until it sinks in.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bRrpHNa68iY/UQ6Pv9gRZyI/AAAAAAAAjTg/Hc22bx5122Q/s2048/20943781_BG1.jpg


http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31052
Poll on weaklinks

Jim Rooney - 2013/03/05 19:42:58 UTC

Wow...
So you know what happened then?
OMG... thank you for your expert accident analysis. You better fly down to FL and let them know. I'm sure they'll be very thankful to have such a crack expert mind on the case analyzing an accident that you know nothing about. Far better data than the people that were actually there. In short... get fucked.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31717
Weak link?

Davis Straub - 2014/08/20 19:48:26 UTC

Many of us are now using 200 lb test line from Cortland.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=31747
Lockout

Davis Straub - 2014/09/01 15:22:41 UTC

I can tell you that I fly with a 200lb weaklink on one side of my 750lb pro tow bridle. I am happy with it.

And it's odd how Bob K isn't allowed to defend himself on the world's best known hang gliding news...

"News".

...site? I've heard it said that those who control the news (media) also control how a community thinks.

'Specially a "community" that really isn't that big on thinking.

So, the USHPA can have it's "side" of this story published but the subject of that story can't respond? Sound fair to all you Oz forum members out there?

Since when did Davis Show dickheads start caring about fairness?

Steve Corbin - 2015/03/23 01:00:48 UTC

At the risk of losing my Oz Report and dot org access, as well as making enemies out of friends, I am not going to let this issue slide under the rug.

I live in America, land of the free and home of those brave enough to stand up for truth, freedom, democracy, and the American way.

What is important here is not whether Bob was right in his methods, techniques, and practices but whether we can voice our opinions and back them up with whatever technologies are available to us.

This situation goes far beyond Bob and his assertions of wrongdoing and unprofessional conduct by commercial flight parks. This is about money in politics. The Golden Rule that he with the most gold rules. The United States of America was founded on the principle that the individual has rights and government is limited.

In this case, Bob is the individual, and USHPA the government.

Let me reiterate: It's not about Bob and the specifics of what he's done so much as it is about the Freedom of Expression. That's the key.

If you think this couldn't happen to you, well, think again brother. This action by our national organization will only serve to inhibit whistleblowing.

How 'bout the bullshit those motherfuckers - including Bob - pulled on me six years ago?

Yeah, it's just plain stoopid to rock the boat, when the penalty could be as severe as LOSING YOUR ABILITY TO FLY.

And if you just go along with u$hPa and the Aerotow Industry the penalty could be as severe as LOSING YOUR LIFE.

Think about what your life would be like if you couldn't fly like you are accustomed to doing.

I don't have to. It's a nightmare that you never wake up from. Yeah, other people got bigger problems but that was important to ME - and I didn't/don't have much else.

Again, at the risk of being repetitious, this isn't about Bob and Torrey. This is about setting precedent.

The fact that you need to say this obvious shit to these assholes ain't a good sign.

Please, please don't be afraid to speak up and make your voice heard, especially so if you disagree with me.

Nah, Bob and I weren't afraid to speak up and make our voices heard and we're both doing just fine.

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=31052
Poll on weaklinks

Zack C - 2013/03/05 15:16:23 UTC

Yes, this is very much about safety. What happened at Quest last month has only reinforced my position.

Jim Rooney - 2013/03/05 19:42:58 UTC

Again, tell me how all this nonsense is about "safety"?

So, a stronger weaklink allows you to achieve higher AOAs... but you see high AOAs coupled with a loss of power as *the* problem? So you want something that will allow you to achieve even higher AOAs?
Are you NUTS?

I'm tired of arguing with crazy.
As I said many times... there are those that listen with the intent of responding... you unfortunately are one.

You've done a great job of convincing me never to tow you.
Thank you for that.
Mission accomplished.

You and I are Brothers in Flight, and we support each other whether we agree on this or not.

Thanks for all the support, Steve. I'd like to thank you on Zack C's behalf too. And great job sticking up for michael170 on The Jack Show nine days ago when Livingroom Meister Jack banned him for enough already.

God Bless America.

Fuck that.

Yoda the Cat...

...is with you all the way.

Keep him indoors so he doesn't wipe out all my birds and chipmunks.

Speck_out_hi - 2015/03/23 23:51:36 UTC

E. B. Hall (aka S. G. Tallentyre) once said:

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

This seems to fit in right about now.

The U$hPA's version seems to be -

We disapprove of what you have to say and will kill your right to fly, now that you've said it.

Fred Wilson - 2015/03/25 06:25:54 UTC

Scare's "Random Avatar for the day" cropped up right interesting for you Speck-out-hi

Speck_out_hi - 2015/03/26 00:50:00 UTC

Ya, I think their (the UShPA's) head is seriously buried in the sand.

No it's not.