Re: instructors and other qualified pilot fiends
Posted: 2020/08/01 08:22:31 UTC
False alarm. Still no sign of Bob though.
A forum devoted to the scientific advancement of hang gliding
http://www.kitestrings.org/
Virtually certainly the same as it was when you launched your local coffee shop sometime prior to 2006/07/25 16:03:17 UTC.H4, AT, FL, TFL, AWCL, CL, FSL, RLF, TUR, X-C
If there were ever any evidence of you ever having flown anything since your local coffee shop launch:Hang gliding, of course...
So at the very tail end of the last century (and millenium) you had an absolute minimum of the 75 hours required for a Four you've now had nearly twenty seasons to rack up the other 325 (16.25 hours per season).Jack Axaopoulos - 71169 - H4 - John Borton - 2000/11/15 - AT FL TFL AWCL CL FSL RLF TUR XC
Not bloody likely.Interests Hang gliding, of course...
Smoking gun proof that anybody who ever signed you off on anything was ALSO an incompetent total fucking moron. (Ditto for Bob by the way.)Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/07/04 12:13:01 UTC
Bullshit.
a) only the pilot can let the angle of attack increase when you lose tension. Thats 100% on the pilot. You are simply wrong and misleading again.
b) "And if your angle of attack was way too high to begin with..." Which should never be the case or youre making a pilot error. Again, you are misleading people.
This is the problem I have with you. You attempt to fallaciously attribute pilot errors to issues of mechanical towing devices or other things.
Sorry... but if you suddenly lose power, your nose just doesnt pop
Davis Straub - 2020/08/06 00:22:58 UTC
Lots of room in that labelMitch Shipley was listed as "disabled" as he left the military. A lot of people with invisible injuries could use a few flying lessons.http://www.ushpa.org/images/USHPA/Pages/EasyFlyer-DaveAldrich.jpg
In September 2019, USHPA secured a $120,000 U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Adaptive Sports grant. The funding will provide introductory tandem flights and training for military members who qualify for disability benefits, both active duty and veterans.
Hang gliding and paragliding training will be provided for free to qualified participants up to the H2/P2 (novice) level. This level of proficiency allows pilots to fly on their own at H2/P2-rated sites as they work toward more advanced ratings.
USHPA is thrilled to give veterans increased opportunities to experience free flight and become part of our pilot community. The current grant covers training through September 2020.
Hell yeah.Lots of room in that label
But even though you could never learn to spell "carabineer" like a sane person would that never held you back one millimeter from mandating the cheap u$hPa SOPs and FAA regs illegal crap you sell for AT equipment for all US competitions. You mentally alternately abled guys never cease to amaze and inspire us mere muppets.Davis Straub - 2011/09/02 18:37:09 UTC
Concussions are in fact very serious and have life long effects. The last time I was knocked out what in 9th grade football. I have felt the effects of that ever since. It changes your wiring.
And now he's listed as even more and highly likely permanently "disabled" as he left light sport aviation at the beginning of last fall.Mitch Shipley was listed as "disabled" as he left the military.
Then they could get visible injuries with a flying lesson or two from a top notch u$hPa...A lot of people with invisible injuries could use a few flying lessons.
...certified instructor...Mitch Shipley - 2012/10/22 19:04:16 UTC
We engage in a sport that has risk and that is part of the attraction.
And if you haven't burned through the entire $120 K grant by the end of next month... Hell, just keep the change. We'd really like to properly thank you for the outstanding public service you're so selflessly providing. (And how come we're just hearing about this now with seven weekends to go? (Keep up the great work, Tim. Maybe see if you can get $150 K for the next cycle - what with the outstanding success you've had with this one.))In September 2019, USHPA secured a $120,000 U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Adaptive Sports grant. ... The current grant covers training through September 2020.
Then why is it a dot org? Small private businesses just like your local coffee shops are dot coms. And their owners don't really give flying fucks about what their customers talk about while they're sipping. They know it's none of their goddam business and that if they started behaving as if it were their actual goddam business wouldn't be in business very long. And as a matter o' fact yours has been on a steady downslide for years.2019 HangGliding.Org Simplified Rules and Policies
* This website is a small private business just like your local coffee shop. No different than any other business you visit on a daily basis, big or small.
Why would they attack the business owner? The coffee shop has been around for a bit over fourteen years and it appears that in all that time he's only made two miniscule posts - both within the past month and a half - regarding a "Difficulties logging in" issue.Anyone showing a pattern of abuse or harassment that would cause them to be thrown out of their local coffee shop can expect the same treatment here, including personally attacking or harassing the customers, or the business owner.
And if an eleven year old kid gets splattered as a consequence of a massively botched tandem thrill ride don't think about him, his family, his Mesa Verde Elementary School classmates, the implications for the sport... Just launch another fifteen page thread on how to perfect flare timing and let Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department and u$hPa tell us everything we need to know about what happened and why.* When posting, think about non-HG pilots who come to visit the site every day. Please put your best foot forward and showcase the fun adventurous atmosphere we experience every day in the landing zone after a great flight.
Another way of saying that people who might have an interest in hang gliding take one look at what's going in in the local coffee shop and then go back to watching cat videos.The majority of website traffic is NEW traffic, and very likely non-pilots.
And a number of current participants you can count on the fingers of one hand - three of whom are Chris McKeon.This website has very broad world wide reach. Over 3 MILLION people have visited this website.
Good thing you included that in your site rules. Glider forums in which such rules are not clearly specified are totally overwhelmed by PORN or adult material. Ditto for the personal blogs of glider people.* No PORN or adult material. It is against my server companies policies and there are plenty of other websites for that stuff.
It's OK to take a child up on a totally shitrigged tandem platform operation and splatter him - along with yourself - in front of his family. But don't even think about posting anything about it here - since this isn't the sorta thing you'd expect to see in Saturday morning cartoons. (With the possible exception of the Roadrunner/Coyote stuff.)If you couldn't show it on TV during a childrens program, don't post it here.
Since there's such a tremendous volume of material posted at your local coffee shop that you'd need a staff of at least thirty monitors to properly screen activity. And if you even attempted to give things a weekly skim the quality of the coffee would go straight to hell.Please use the REPORT feature in the forum to notify me.
36 posts to date for the month of August. Three posts per day for the worlds largest hang gliding community. Keep up the reasonably great work.* This site is reasonably moderated.
The REASONABLE pilots. The Standard Aerotow Weak Link crowd.Unfortunately, the sport of hang gliding contains a very small but extremely vocal group of extremists who escalate and harass people at every turn. People like this have "run off" the reasonable pilots from community web sites in the past.
Too late. If you read Davis's rules for the Big Spring comps you'll find that AT weak links that safe are no longer tolerated.This will no longer be tolerated here.
Last sign of a pulse:Marc Fink - 2011/08/31 08:11:05 UTC
I was actually in the process of reaching for the release and just about to pull it when the weaklink blew. If procedures were amended to "insist" on stronger weaklinks I would simply stop towing.
Keep up the great work. If it keeps moving forward at it's current rate it should be extinct within a year and a half or so.This site will be a run as a professional business moving forward.
Yeah motherfucker? Name one. Reminds me of all the lives Jim Keen-Intellect Rooney saved by giving people the rope and all the Tad-O-Linkers he visited in the hospital.If you are looking for a wild west, anything goes forum, where people are free to scream at one another like rabid children, there are plenty of sites out there like that for you...
Without actually participating in it ourselves. And in our local coffee shop owner's case - without ever having actually posted anything about it that he didn't subsequently see fit to delete....but not here. We are here to promote the sport of hang gliding.
Literally 10.228 quarter million people from all over the world have visited:Literally millions of people have visited this website from all over the world.
Where can we go to see one of your posts...Keep that in mind and put your best foot forward when posting.
...to get a really good idea of how we should be communicating with each other?Jack Axaopoulos - 2009/06/29 14:26:26 UTC
OMG!!! You dont even have wheels!!?!?!?!?
YOURE GONNA DIE FOR SUUUUREE!!!!
I have a brilliant idea. People who cant land for sh*t.... LEARN TO LAND That way when a weak link breaks on you, ITS A NON-ISSUE. Genius huh???
Like you did with all your own posts. Wattsamattah? Didn't have a best foot to put forward?* No posts or links about Bob Kuczewski, Scott C Wise, Tad Eareckson and related people, or their material or organizations. ALL SUCH POSTS WILL BE IMMEDIATELY DELETED.
...but most likely...Davis Straub - 2011/08/26 14:04:52 UTC
We had six weaklink breaks in a row at Zapata this year. Russell Brown (tug pilot, tug owner, Quest Air owner) said go ahead and double up (four strands of Cortland Greenspot). He knows I used his Zapata weaklink in Big Spring (pilots were asked to tell the tug pilot if they were doing that).
...in unstable soaring conditions. So somebody show me a single frame from a single dolly launched AT in which a flyer still on tow doesn't have both hands in optimal flying positions on the control bar, but rather one or two hands on the downtubes at shoulder or ear height for better roll control and landing flare authority.Adam Parer - 2009/11/25
Due to the rough conditions weak links were breaking just about every other tow and the two tugs worked hard to eventually get everyone off the ground successfully.
...just firmly strap it to onto a downtube with velcro.Lauren Tjaden - 2008/03/23 22:20:15 UTC
When Jim got me locked out to the right, I couldn't keep the pitch of the glider with one hand for more than a second (the pressure was a zillion pounds, more or less), but the F'ing release slid around when I tried to hit it.
http://www.ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=625The Wallaby Ranch Aerotowing Primer for Experienced Pilots - 2020/08/18
Welcome to Wallaby Ranch, the first and largest Aerotow Hang Gliding Flight Park in the World! We're the aerotowing (or "AT") professionals; no-one knows AT like we do; it's all we do, and we do it everyday, year-round.
(But keep making sure those Torrey paragliding instructors are wearing helmets while demonstrating kiting to students. Ya sure don't want them setting poor examples with respect to critical safety issues. (The nice streamlined one Bob Grant's wearing is pretty good quality.)Bob Kuczewski - 2020/08/10 00:35:22 UTC
Fun day at Wallaby!!
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http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7671Bob Kuczewski - 2011/11/14 05:28:43 UTC
Tad, Joe Greblo is a very conservative instructor, and he teaches a physical hook-in check just prior to launch. He does not mandate a lift and tug. If you go to Joe's web site (http://windsports.com) you can find contact information for him. Joe knows far more about hang gliding than I probably ever will. If you can convince him that he should be teaching "lift and tug" instead of "turn and check", then you'll get my vote of support.
Also as a kind of threat and thought-provoker. Yeah, I think I finally have this one fairly thoroughly thought out. Fit's right in with all the other u$hPa / commercial interest machinery geared towards disempowering the recreational pilot.Christian Williams - 2012/01/18 19:58:00 UTC
Here's the way Greblo looks at it (or how I remember his lectures):
We take off and land upright. Therefore, all the bad stuff happens when we are upright. And close to the ground.
Therefore, learn to fly upright in the worst conceivable (and sudden hairy) conditions. (One up/ one down is "upright").
The alternative, if "more secure prone", is to go prone instantly upon take-off, and stay prone until the last possible landing moment.
In both cases, this requires a change of hand and body position in the worst conceivable conditions near the ground.
Therefore, in order never to change hand position near the ground, it is necessary to learn to face all the worst moments (thermals, gusts, sinkholes, midairs, gear failure, downwind landings and takeoffs, a lifted wing into boulders and an entire wire ground crew snagged on your jock strap) upright.
A little reflection suggests that taking off upright and flying upright until well away from the danger zone is not very different from ground handling, where you are flying standing on dirt. A good test of upright flying skills is whether you can ground handle a glider in 25 mph of laminar flow. Do you require a wire crew? Hmmm.
Greblo will not sign off a Hang 3 (US intermediate rating) who cannot ground handle with confidence at the limit of his takeoff judgment.
He's not dogmatic about this for veteran fliers, recognizing that gliders and skills and terrain are different. He just provides his analysis. You often see him flying around in violent thermals upright, just (I think) as a kind of advertisement and thought-provoker.
But they all remained dead silent through the war I spearheaded and after the total extinction from the public record of the 130 pound Greenspot Standard Aerotow Weak Link.Jim Rooney - 2007/07/22 22:30:28 UTC
I've heard it a million times before from comp pilots insisting on towing with even doubled up weaklinks (some want no weaklink). I tell them the same thing I'm telling you... suck it up. You're not the only one on the line. I didn't ask to be a test pilot. I can live with your inconvenience.
If we're all always students then who the hell are our instructors supposed to be? Aren't we paying them for instruction and ratings that qualify us to competently, safely operate in all environments reasonably appropriate for our wings and experience levels?Ian Riedel - 2020/08/25 13:58:52 UTC
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H3. Not a noob, always a student.
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=32681Mark G. Forbes - 2012/12/20 06:21:33 UTC
There are also numerous legal issues associated with accident reports, which we're still wrestling with. It's a trade-off between informing our members so they can avoid those kinds of accidents in the future, and exposing ourselves to even more lawsuits by giving plaintiff's attorneys more ammunition to shoot at us.
Imagine a report that concludes, "If we'd had a procedure "x" in place, then it would have probably prevented this accident. And we're going to put that procedure in place at the next BOD meeting." Good info, and what we want to be able to convey. But what comes out at trial is, "Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, my client suffered injury because USHPA knew or should have known that a safety procedure was not in place, and was therefore negligent and at fault." We're constantly walking this line between full disclosure and handing out nooses at the hangmen's convention.
Our SOPs, instructor certification, incident reports are all total crap; a weak link's strength and purposes are whatever your flight park operators tell you they are, make sure to have good risk mitigation strategies in place, make sure you're always a focused pilot.Mark G. Forbes - 2015/04/01 03:46:29 UTC
Among ourselves, we agree (via the waiver) that we understand we're engaged in a risky sport that can cause serious injury or death. We each agree that we are personally and individually responsible for our own safety. If we have an accident and get hurt, we agree in advance that it is solely our own fault, no matter what the circumstances might be. We sign at the bottom saying that we fully understand these things, that we accept them, and that we know we are giving up the right to sue anybody if an accident happens.
Those are fundamental tenets of our sport. We are all individually responsible for ourselves and our safety. We need to see and avoid all other pilots, avoid crashing into people or property and use good judgment when flying. If someone doesn't agree with those principles, then they don't need to be involved in our sport.
Yep... Now where have we seen that kinda crap perpetrated by commercial interest types who've gained footholds in flying resources before?Davis Straub - 2020/09/25 16:34:36 UTC
A writer in distressJessie Dittman - 2020/09/25 16:34:36 UTC
Hello TTT Members/Community,
I'm writing to let our TTT community know what's going on with our family and our community. We have been very stressed and upset by the lies and manipulations caused by David Hanning and Fly Camp...
And after four days of hovering around in the worlds largest, friendliest, most welcoming local coffee shop not one hint of a response. SCREAMS volumes about the extent of the malignancy that's rapidly finishing the sport off.crambo117 - 2020/09/22 10:45:32 UTC
Montrose, Pennsylvania
Hey all, i have the opportunity to get a dream 220, brand new sail & 7075 battens. Its a heavier stich sail to be used on my trike, but i was wondering if anyone has ever aerotowed one? I hear some tall Keel pocket wings oscillate under tow. Just curious! Thanks!
Dev C
No Zack, you...Zack C - 2010/12/13 04:58:15 UTC
I had a very different mindset too back then and trusted the people that made my equipment. Since then I've realized (largely due to this discussion) that while I can certainly consider the advice of others, I can't trust anyone in this sport but myself (and maybe the people at Wills Wing).
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2lk6hbjuJ-c/Ujh-ENPLQrI/AAAAAAAA3IQ/vh46chqQX4M/s1600/JRS_0542.JPGSteve Pearson - 2020/09/24 22:19:57 UTC
1/2 VG is recommended for aerotowing all Wills Wing gliders configured with VG systems. Towing at less that 50% VG is more difficult because the pitch pressure can be excessively high and that in turn contributes to PIO.