Re: landing
Posted: 2017/07/26 21:19:30 UTC
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=49667
Ron Keinan
2. Bummer that he'd never attended a Voight, Shipley, Rooney, Wendt, Ridgely, Greblo good approach clinic - wasn't it John?
2. Name some schools, instructors who teach RLF approaches.
And look who was pretty much mirroring Ron's final minutes as a functional human and giving us the most useful report.
http://www.kitestrings.org/post47.html#p47
Fuckin' carrier pilot who flies into a taxiway sign in dead air at a wide open empty airport 'cause:
- he's gotta put it down on his feet on his fuckin' predetermined spot
- all hang glider runways are infinite in length.
And here we are (on the left) a bit under four months earlier celebrating our award less than a day after a fellow competitor and airline pilot...
http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7394/27205018655_892d8a0852_o.jpg
...buys it at Quest as a consequence of attempting to fly with cheap shit Industry Standard tow equipment.
http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7447/26578855104_69f4705474_o.jpg
Anyway John... You good with posting this detailed account on a forum that's closed off to the public and glider people Davis has arbitrarily decided to exclude? And same deal now for anything posted in the Jack Show Incident Reports.
Ron Keinan
Better late than never, John.John Simon - 2016/09/20 19:50:38 UTC
Thoughts
Me too. I'm hoping for a full and speedy recovery - despite the fact that he's still in a coma (and will be for a week or two to come).First, Heather and I are really pulling for Ron.
And now he's junk.We just met him this week and you couldn't meet a nicer guy with a better attitude or bigger smile.
Which made one of you.I will simply say what I noticed both in the air and on the ground at the scene. It's only my observation and perception... I was fairly busy flying my own glider.
I did. Airtribune did a really great job. How come you're not referencing it?I DID NOT see his crash.
...L. Garcia...He and I glided out from a mountain with unlandable terrain to a small "town" at the base as we were the low guys in a low stack. Pedro...
Neither did Airtribune....also came, but I never saw him...
Defined by parallel draws and associated vegetation patterns aligned SSW-NNE.He landed very, very close to me as I understand it though. He mentioned his LZ was difficult (many cactuses).
Ron and I flew side by side at the Same altitude from the mountain to the ENE towards a few roads with houses and one very nice looking LZ (completely empty field) and only a couple other possibilities. The wind earlier had been light west, but it was now ENE and it was a touch more than I thought. I misjudged it and hence my glide to the nice LZ (the farthest) was looking more and more tight. Ron was 1/4 mile off my left wing (north of me) at the Same altitude and very slightly closer to the main LZ. As we proceeded, I started picking out alternates in the scrub desert and found a decent one that had a significantly less dense area of vegetation (more "runways").
But you're a Four, right? That means you can consistently and safely stop on your feet within a radius of well under a wingspan of a spot. Should be able to do it in your sleep by now, right?I also found a third near a street that had a nice "spot" that was clear, although it would require a spot landing... It looked more an H3 than H4 spot.
A shoe falling off on final. In cactus country. Gotta be a first. (Nice job preflighting, John.)Gliding further, I decided to proceed to my secondary, which was larger than the primary but had some bushes/cactuses, a power line on 2 sides and a low fence. I felt I could reach the primary, but also felt I'd be very low and if I hit sink... I'd not make it. Ron was slightly closer than me and proceeded. I did not see him again until later when I heard the ambulances and I ran up to his site, as I was busy setting up my approach. It went fine, except I dropped a shoe on final and was not willing to take any steps in the rough terrain. I needed a no stepper, got a one stepper and pogo'd on my one leg to a gentle whack.
Sirens. Hard to beat whenever you're trying to locate "landing" sites.40 minutes later, hearing the sirens I ran up to his landing site...
1. In other words, his approach was crap....and Larry and Heather had been there for 10 minutes or more (they were in a vehicle coming to retrieve me). It appeared he clipped a tree on approach the LZ was indeed a nice one, completely devoid of obstacles excepting the low trees on the sides. It was not super big though and would require a good approach.
2. Bummer that he'd never attended a Voight, Shipley, Rooney, Wendt, Ridgely, Greblo good approach clinic - wasn't it John?
No. The problem was that your decisions were influenced by pilot desires to be competitive. Haven't you bothered to read the earlier comments in this thread?The wind had hurt our glides and we hadn't planned well enough.
1. Second time in the space of three sentences, John. We seem to be homing in on the fundamental issue here.There were reasonable alternatives, although none were wide open like the primary and all would require a good approach.
2. Name some schools, instructors who teach RLF approaches.
Maybe Ron wasn't worrying about the right things.The weather was generally turbulence free so it was not too worrisome.
Me neither. He certainly had RLF and XC signoffs right?Ron K was slightly closer to the clean LZ and that is likely why he continued. Not sure why he clipped the tree.
He arrived at his at less than a third of that. Any comment?I arrived at less than 300' at my LZ.
Don't hold your breath.Heather and I are wishing mightily for good news.
And look who was pretty much mirroring Ron's final minutes as a functional human and giving us the most useful report.
http://www.kitestrings.org/post47.html#p47
Fuckin' carrier pilot who flies into a taxiway sign in dead air at a wide open empty airport 'cause:
- he's gotta put it down on his feet on his fuckin' predetermined spot
- all hang glider runways are infinite in length.
Total fucking moron. And note that in the eight and a half years since publishing that crap in u$hPa's rag he's never uttered a syllable's worth of retraction.John Simon - 2009/01
I was planning a simple sled ride followed by an easy approach into a well manicured, ruler flat airport field. What could go wrong? I intended to make a nice, long, straight final while upright on the downtubes - conservative and safe.
And here we are (on the left) a bit under four months earlier celebrating our award less than a day after a fellow competitor and airline pilot...
http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7394/27205018655_892d8a0852_o.jpg
...buys it at Quest as a consequence of attempting to fly with cheap shit Industry Standard tow equipment.
http://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7447/26578855104_69f4705474_o.jpg
Anyway John... You good with posting this detailed account on a forum that's closed off to the public and glider people Davis has arbitrarily decided to exclude? And same deal now for anything posted in the Jack Show Incident Reports.